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Americans Rally/Amnesty Bill Goes Down In Defeat/What's Next?
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| I am against this bill/MULTIPLE CHOICE |
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| For it |
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| Confused, haven't read it |
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| Unsure |
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| We should not reward lawbreakers |
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| Dems just see these as millions of votes |
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| Bush is to blame for doing minimal all these yrs. |
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| If given back tax credits itll bankrupt soc. sec., & medicaire |
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| Build a big wall, & deport as caught & in yrs it'll slightly normalize |
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| OTHER/ Explain |
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(last vote on : 9/1/2007 4:19:12 PM)
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/18/2007 5:02:19 PM
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brooklynsblessed1
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A Slap-In-The Face!
DENVER --
An immigration compromise reached Thursday between the Senate and White House drew praise from Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar as "an important start" while Republican Representative Tom Tancredo attacked it as "a slap in the face" to working Americans.
Salazar, a Democrat, is part of a bipartisan group of senators working on a compromise to increase border controls, authorize a tamper-proof employee identification program and eventually grant legal status to immigrants in the country illegally if they pay fines and take English and civic classes.......
Tancredo, a Republican presidential candidate and a hard-line foe of illegal immigration, called the proposal "instant amnesty" for millions of people in the country illegally. He said senators behind the proposal think they can trick Americans into accepting blanket amnesty by referring to the program as "comprehensive" or "earned legalization."
http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/pollP44Question
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/18/2007 5:28:51 PM
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colliefan
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Why don't we just annex Mexico and promtly give all its citizens American citizenship? For all the effort that is made trying to seal the borders why even make an effort to stop the flow of illegals?
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/18/2007 5:31:25 PM
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rcjames
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I don't think the bill will make it through the House after the people speak to it. I know I send a slew of e-mails and made a great many calls to our politicians from Oklahoma.
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/18/2007 5:34:43 PM
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EStan
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Why don't we just annex Mexico and promtly give all its citizens American citizenship? For all the effort that is made trying to seal the borders why even make an effort to stop the flow of illegals?
because according to the lefties, that's more "American Imperialism". We're only supposed to give 'em money and jobs, and bolster their economy - not gain anything from it.
Over $25 billion sent via Western Union etc from workers in the U.S. to Mexico - that was just LAST YEAR.
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/18/2007 5:43:36 PM
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truvibes1
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This is amnesty.
Why should illegal heads of households (only) touch back when Bush is giving them unlimited residency if they do not want to be regarded as US citizens. The Grand Ole Party is a joke.
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/18/2007 6:12:24 PM
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truvibes1
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And they want to give illegal children, access to taxpayer dollars for in-state tuitions AHEAD of US students. It is time to arise and fight back this Administration and any Administration that turns its back on OUR children.
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 6:14:13 PM
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"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.
"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system.
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Governor_Mitt_Romney_On_The_Senate_Immigration_Agreement
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 6:18:26 PM
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"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.
"Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system.
http://www.mittromney.com/News/Press-Releases/Governor_Mitt_Romney_On_The_Senate_Immigration_Agreement
These PC-men actually think they have created a plausible solution in this bill....
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 6:21:20 PM
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truvibes1
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The Dream Act should be debated before the nation. US citizens are being given the shaft and our politicians are losing their collective minds and/or selling their souls to the highest voter turnout.
Lord help!
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 6:23:42 PM
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Perhaps George Bush jumped in bed w/ the dems & lefties to avoid IMPEACHMENT.
Some kind of sneaky deals were made to rip open the gates, trust me!
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 6:28:16 PM
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truvibes1
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ORIGINAL: brooklynsblessed1
Perhaps George Bush jumped in bed w/ the dems & lefties to avoid IMPEACHMENT.
Some kind of sneaky deals were made to rip open the gates, trust me!
You know, this could be it. The strong impeachment calls went away when Nancy was brought onto the platform of a false light of a new day....
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 8:20:45 PM
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brooklynsblessed1
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It would allow the millions of undocumented immigrants already here to gain legal status virtually immediately and keep it indefinitely through a new "Z visa" that could be renewed repeatedly. Those seeking permanent legal residence or eventual citizenship would face long waits and have to pay fees and fines, and their household heads would have to return to their home countries.
Some conservative Republicans want to limit the amount of times Z visas could be renewed.
The deal also proposes a fundamental reordering of the nation's immigration priorities, moving the system from one based on family to one primarily designed to meet the needs of U.S. employers. While spouses and minor children of legal residents and citizens could still get green cards under the new system, other relatives would have to qualify under a point system that rewards advanced skills, education, English proficiency and experience in high-demand occupations.
SOURCE: NY Post
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 9:32:38 PM
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The deal also proposes a fundamental reordering of the nation's immigration priorities, moving the system from one based on family to one primarily designed to meet the needs of U.S. employers. While spouses and minor children of legal residents and citizens could still get green cards under the new system, other relatives would have to qualify under a point system that rewards advanced skills, education, English proficiency and experience in high-demand occupations.
And your opposed to that point? Why?
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 9:50:16 PM
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brooklynsblessed1
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I am not for rewarding lawbreakers, criminals and thoise w/ no respect for our laws.
I am for increasing those applying legally to the US, can contribute a great deal & who's backgrounds and criminal records are cleared.
My father & brothers came years apart, legally applied & followed the rules like gentleman. All spoke several languages, and all fought in wars (patriotism) & contributed in many other ways to this great nation. I have dozens of relatives & they all waited in line & came LEGALLY.
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/18/2007 10:00:22 PM
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Immigration deal "treasonous," says Mesa's Pearce
....."The public has spoken loud and clear on this issue," Pearce said. "It is absolutely outrageous and treasonous. When are they going to get the message in Washington?"
He vowed to campaign to defeat any elected official in Arizona who supports the deal.
"Call it what you want. It's amnesty," Pearce said. "Kyl is headed down a road that is going to a road that it's going to do real damage to himself and to the party."
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/local/51961.php
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/19/2007 1:29:15 AM
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Leon_Figg3
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This is a bad bill for a number of reasons aside from the fact that it basically does not change a thing.
1. This bill was probably, and largely worked out between McCain and Ted Kennedy. IMO these two do not have a very good track record of coming up with economical and enforceable ideas to solve this country's problems. Their solutions basically just help people feel better about the situation, but do not change a thing.
2. From what I have heard so far, the bill does not address the question as to how it will be enlforoced and carried out.
It relies on the assumption tthat illelgals are going to willingly come forword and willingly risk the possibility of having jump through the hoops the bill says that many of them may have to jump through to become legal.
If illegals do not come forward, what is the government going to do?
3. Where is an illegal immigrant going to get 5,000 to pay what the goernment says they'll need to as part of the process to becoming legal?
4. It is unfair and confusing in that many will get a blanket amnesty while others will not.
5. It does little if anything of real substance to adequately address the question of security.
Time and time again we have discovoered that terrorists in this country have been here for years
If there are more terrorists illegally entering this country, who in their right mind believes that these people are going to truthful and forthcoming on any information they give anyone?
6. Supporters of this bill are saying this is an important "first step". What it is, is a "first step" on the road to this country heading to either a revolution, or a civil war if our politicians don't start getting the courage to do what needs to be done. They probably will not because if they did, it would be the end of their political careers.
As the situation stands now, there is absolutely no way that politicians are going to fashion any kind of legislation that is going to seriously address the illegal immigration problem.
We have upwards of 15 million illegal immigrants in this country. Any kind of legislation that looks like amnesty is bound to attract miillions more.
If that wasn't bad enough we are told that there is no possible way that we can round up and deport all the illegal immigants.
We can not seriously enforce existing immigration laws. In some parts of the country law enforcement personal can not enforce laws against identity theft and the making of counterfeit identity papers that affect illegal immigrants, witout stirring up near riots and protests from community activists.
Maybe it's time we stopped trying to come to some kind of aggreement on one single bit of legislation, that all could aggree to disagree on, to solve the problem. Maybe we need to find a way to strengthen and better enforce existing laws.
1. We need to more quickly identify lawbreakers who also happen to be illegals immigrants so that lawyers could begin the process of having them deported.
2. Punitive and non-punitive Measures need ti be taken with those that employ illegals to get them to identify those illegals they have working for them. Make it beneficial for all concerned that illegals immigrants be identified and started on the road to becomeing legal.
3. Since we do not seem to have a natural border with either Mexico or Canada, in many places, a man-made border should be constructed to not only to cut down the number of illegal immigrants, but to employ them and set them on the road to becoming legal.
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/19/2007 6:45:37 AM
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FOX NEWS: Mexicans Fear Immigration Plan Moving Through Congress
MONTERREY, Mexico — Many in Mexico expressed disappointment Friday with the U.S. Congress' immigration reform proposal, arguing it doesn't let enough Mexicans enter the United States legally to work, while focusing on an arduous path to residency for those who have already taken the illegal path.
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RE: NOW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/19/2007 9:37:02 AM
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truvibes1
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Thanks to Mexico, the nation's new flag is White.
Ain't bipartisan politics grand.
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/19/2007 9:38:56 AM
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I don't think the bill will make it through the House after the people speak to it. I know I send a slew of e-mails and made a great many calls to our politicians from Oklahoma.
Thanks
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I hope not. I have sent E-mails and called all our politicians in California and will continue to do so.
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/19/2007 9:57:35 AM
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Wealthy republicans want illegal aliens here for the cheap labor. (This keeps EVERONE'S wages down.) Why do you think Bush didn't do anything about it before?
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RE: 12M Illegals May Be Put On Citizenship Track, GOP C... - 5/19/2007 10:52:05 AM
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draexo
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ORIGINAL: colliefan
Why don't we just annex Mexico and promtly give all its citizens American citizenship? For all the effort that is made trying to seal the borders why even make an effort to stop the flow of illegals?
Eventually America, Canada, and Mexico will become pan-America.
And our currency will be the Amero
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RE: NEW: Bill May Give Citizenship To 12M Illegals, GOP... - 5/19/2007 2:52:03 PM
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brooklynsblessed1
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Duncan Hunter Opposes Immigration Deal
Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., a GOP candidate for president in 2008, vowed to oppose immigration legislation approved by the Senate on Thursday.
Hunter said the new immigration deal rewards lawbreakers and does little to stem the flow of illegals across U.S. borders.
"This Senate bill is bad for Americans, bad for our workers, bad for law enforcement and, most importantly, bad for national security," Hunter said.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/5/18/102119.shtml?s=lh
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