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New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/4/2007 4:19:18 PM
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New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate,' Say Analysts By Fred Lucas CNSNews.com Staff Writer September 03, 2007 (CNSNews.com) - Clinton fundraising flashbacks erupted last week as critics of Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) demanded answers about some of her questionable campaign fundraising, aspects of which mirrored the "China-gate" fundraising scandal that plagued the 1996 Bill Clinton-Al Gore campaign. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign has returned money directly donated from a one-time fugitive, Norman Hsu, now in the custody of California authorities. But because she is keeping much of the money he raised for her, along with the history of Clinton fundraising scandals, the issue could linger, analysts say. "It's not over as long as the press and other candidates keep pointing to it," Larry Sabato, a political science professor at the University of Virginia, told Cybercast News Service. http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200709/POL20070903a.html I think there may be something there, and as the campaign progresses between the potential of a new Bill bomb or Hillary Hydrogen bomb she may not make it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. If indicted I'd be a double winner as I'd loose her as my junior senator too. Only problem is a scientific poll shows the media is heavily democratic and contributes to liberal causes; we are not going to hear alot from them unless a few begin digging and competition sets in.And then the libs will say it's only a few NY media oulets, WND & Sean Hannity that's trying to push down a great lady.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/5/2007 7:53:34 PM
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cog41
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I heard a report today Mr. Hsu is missing. Wow! here one day and gone the next. Of course anyone turning states evidence on Hillarty Clinton I should hide.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/5/2007 9:45:01 PM
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Does one think the major media will do anything of substance about this issue? The odds are about the same at Pat Paulsen becoming our next president.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/5/2007 10:52:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: cog41 I heard a report today Mr. Hsu is missing. Wow! here one day and gone the next. Of course anyone turning states evidence on Hillarty Clinton I should hide. quote:
Democratic Donor a No Show at Hearing Sep 5, 4:31 PM (ET) By PAUL ELIAS REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP) - Disgraced Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu was a wanted man again after he failed to show up for a court date Wednesday and a judge issued a new warrant for his arrest. Hsu, whose criminal past has roiled the campaigns of top presidential candidates, was scheduled to ask a judge to cut in half the $2 million bail he posted last week when he turned himself in after spending 15 years on the lam from a felony theft conviction. Instead, San Mateo Superior Court Judge Robert Foiles ordered Hsu's bail forfeited to the county and issued a new arrest warrant. If Hsu is arrested again, he will be jailed without bail this time. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070905/D8RFH55O0.html Hmmmmm.....not saying they will but can ya say Vince Foster ?
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/6/2007 10:13:01 AM
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Or as Yogi Bera would say,"It's deja vu, all over again!"
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/6/2007 10:34:05 AM
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cog41
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Mr. Hsu wont be safe even in jail.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/6/2007 3:25:26 PM
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DEMS' FUNNY MONEY FAMILIAR CAST OF HSU SCANDAL By MICHELLE MALKIN September 5, 2007 -- HERE'S a peculiar thing about the holier-than- thou campaign-finance-re form crowd. Whenever the stench of dirty money starts wafting from Democratic Party coffers, the clean-election lobbyists are nowhere to be found. They'll raise hell and hackles over American corporate donors. But when it's shady foreign operators infusing cash into our electoral system, you'll only hear one sound: the deafening swell of crickets chirping. Hillary and Bill Clinton have declared themselves "shocked" at revelations about one of the Democratic Party's mysterious, deep-pocketed bagmen, Hong Kong native Norman Hsu. Hsu, a prodigious Democrat donor, was arrested last week after having evaded the law for 15 years over grand-theft swindling charges. Hsu pleaded no contest to those charges and was supposed to serve jail time. Instead, he managed to remain a fugitive while raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars for Democratic candidates and officeholders - and posing openly for photographs with the likes of Hillary Clinton. http://www.nypost.com/seven/09052007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/dems_funny_money.htm I think I saw his picture today on a NYC milk carton ???
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/6/2007 11:44:10 PM
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You know, before people go convicting Clinton of knowingly dabbling in dirty fund raising again, they should probably look at some of the, er, troublesome fundraisers in other campaigns: quote:
WASHINGTON - A top Utah fund-raiser for Mitt Romney's presidential campaign - who has links to an organization facing a civil lawsuit alleging child abuse - is no longer part of Romney's state finance team. Robert Lichfield of La Verkin, who founded the umbrella group called the Worldwide Association of Specialty Schools, brought in some $300,000 earlier this year for Romney during a single Utah event and has donated tens of thousands to the former Massachusetts governor and other Republicans in recent years. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_6818837 quote:
The Romney campaign also acted immediately when a top fund-raiser, Alan B. Fabian, was indicted this month by a Maryland grand jury in connection with an alleged $32 million fraud scheme. Romney's campaign announced that Fabian had resigned as cochairman of its national finance committee and that it would return his $2,300 contribution, but not money that Fabian raised from others. Republicans Rudy Giuliani and John McCain and Democrat Bill Richardson have suffered similar embarrassments to their presidential campaigns in recent months. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/29/scandals_putting_campaigns_to_test/ And these two people weren't just ad hoc fund-rasiers, they were top Romney campaign organization finance representatives in their states. Yet where are the accusations of dirty money surrounding Mitt Romney? The truth is that where there is money and influence to peddle, there will always be crooked people looking for a quick leg up. All campaigns need to be vigilant because any campaign that doesn't rigorously vet its supporters is going to get a nasty surprise at some point. The evidence so far is that Clinton is no worse than any other campaign out there, and may in fact be better than some in this regard.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/7/2007 12:00:33 AM
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Hsu Fly (updated) Clarice Feldman Norman Hsu has skipped, following the path of so many Clinton donors with apparent foreign sources of money who are under investigation. The question is why did the judge ever let him out on bail after he'd skipped the first time, fifteen years ago? Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu (SHOO) has failed to appear for a bail hearing in Redwood City. Hsu forfeits the $2 million bail he posted last week. A judge has issued a new warrant for his arrest. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/09/hsu_fly.html I understand this liberal judge reduced the bail to 1M & DID NOT confiscate his passport; a set-up & political favor maybe ???? We'll never know from the drive-by media.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/7/2007 2:18:26 AM
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Do you want the moderators to move this thread to Conspiracy Central or what? Anyway, you got the facts ridiculously wrong again -- not surprisingly, it seems. Perhaps you should read the stories before you post them: a) Hsu didn't hang around to get a $1 million refund. He forfeited the whole $2 million by bailing on his bail. b) There was only a pending request to have his bail cut in half. The judge didn't do anything before he ran away. b) The judge did order Hsu to surrender his passport. c) There is no reference to the judge's political affiliation anywhere on the web -- now you are starting to make things up. There was no deal struck -- it's all just a figment of your conspiratorial imagination. I have yet to hear any anger from you about Mitt Romney allowing criminals to run his campaign's finances. I guess Mitt gets a free pass since he's not a liberal.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/7/2007 3:00:30 AM
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Sorry not being a lwayer (nor are you, or are you) it's hard to keep up on things since there's been several various media versions and in SF Gate and to AP hsu's lawyer hassaid different things. But, how can someone that was a 15 year federal fugitive even not be considered a flight risk. And why didn't Hillary or Bill's federal details lock him up on sight, visitors, photo op people are supposed to be cleared ????? As for RINO Romney I'm one of his biggest critics as a voter & registered in the GOP (are you a voter ?).
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/7/2007 3:30:46 AM
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This is nothing about being a lawyer. All it takes is a simple understanding of the news articles you post. I know you get most of your information from right-wing "news" sources, but it really isn't that difficult to separate fact from biased and unfounded rumors. I got all my information on the case from Google News -- took about 30 seconds to confirm you don't know what you're talking about.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/7/2007 11:29:47 AM
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Why is this a surprise? Please don't tell me that there are still people that don't think the Clintons are slimy, diabolical, criminals.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/7/2007 12:06:12 PM
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ORIGINAL: Soxfan Why is this a surprise? Please don't tell me that there are still people that don't think the Clintons are slimy, diabolical, criminals. They are joined by other's hold your nose & read..plus I understand the prezwannabe Chris The Dud Dodd: quote:
Ex-Fugitive's Fundraising Talent Put Him on Democrats' A-List By Matthew Mosk and John Solomon Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, September 7, 2007; Page A03 Last week, before his world came crashing down, Norman Hsu helped organize a breakfast meeting in San Francisco with prospective donors. The featured attraction was Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. The meeting was hardly unusual for Hsu, a New York apparel manufacturer for much of his career whose success at raising money had propelled him into the upper echelon of Democratic politics. In the past four years, Hsu raised more than $1.2 million for Democratic causes and candidates, including the DNC and the campaign of New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer. And in the past six months, Hsu became a leading fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.). A person familiar with Clinton's fundraising, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Hsu had raised "in the hundreds of thousands of dollars" since January for Clinton's presidential bid. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/06/AR2007090602748.html
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/8/2007 8:06:28 PM
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Who Is Hsu? Captured Fundraiser Didn't Vote Email Share September 07, 2007 12:25 PM Justin Rood Reports: Mysterious Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu is in custody again, after a brief return to a fugitive lifestyle he maintained for 15 years. But new questions are cropping up about his past. The latest puzzle: Despite funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars into Democratic coffers, Norman Hsu is not a member of the Democratic party. In fact, records appear to reflect he isn't even registered to vote. Hsu's name does not appear on voter rolls in either California, where Hsu lived in the 1980s and early 1990s, or in New York, where he lived more recently, according to documents and state officials. http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/who-is-hsu-capt.html How typical of these big money people, just like the new age queen endorsing the gay affirming church attendee for President, yet she hasn't voted in a primary since 1988. Hypocritical no???? There's more to this Hsu case than we know, did you see the simple house he lived in?? Like w/ druglords...feds need to follow the money. And see what my jr. senator knows or doesn't.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/11/2007 2:15:30 PM
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Clinton to Return $850,000 in Donations Raised By Norman Hsu Tuesday, September 11, 2007 E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION WASHINGTON — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign said Monday it will return $850,000 in donations raised by Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu, who is under federal investigation for allegedly violating election laws. Clinton, D-N.Y., previously had planned only to give to charity $23,000 she received from Hsu for her presidential and senatorial campaigns and to her political action committee, HillPac. The FBI is investigating whether Hsu paid so-called straw donors to send campaign contributions to Clinton and other candidates, a law enforcement official said Monday. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296361,00.html Ok folks so she was going to keep 827,000 DOLLARS ??????????????????????????????????????? Honest Hillary ??????? Ya think ????????
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/12/2007 9:28:31 AM
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Did anyone notice the part where Hillary said that the donors who got their(?) money back would be encouraged to donate the returned funds directly to her campaign? What a great way to launder money. There is good reason to suspect that a lot of that money was not the donors' in the first place, but came from Hsu. I would like to think that a person with common sense (and ethics) would distance themselves from all of those people and thier money. Why ask for it to come back with all of the questions it is going to raise? Does she need that $830,000 that bad?
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/12/2007 6:04:08 PM
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Hsu's $40 Million Windfall Rick Moran The Wall Street Journal (Subscription required) has partially solved the mystery of where the mysterious Norman Hsu's funds for donating to Democratic candidates came from: New documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal may help point to an answer: A company controlled by Mr. Hsu recently received $40 million from a Madison Avenue investment fund run by Joel Rosenman, who was one of the creators of the Woodstock rock festival in 1969. That money, Mr. Rosenman told investors this week, is missing. It seems that Mr. Rosenman recently sent a letter to investors with his Source Financing group, telling them not to expect any payback on their $40 million given to one of Mr. Hsu's false front companies, Components Ltd - a business that apparently makes nothing, sells nothing, and buys nothing, only moving money from its ledgers into the coffers of Democratic candidates. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/09/hsus_40_million_windfall.html This is getting stranger & stranger, not just that my jr. senator 1st was going to return a mere 23K, but Hsu sells nothing, buys nothing only gives to dems & doen't vote ???? Is Keith Olbermann, Woffffff and other drive-by fronts going after this, imagine if this was Hsu (may "only" be one of his names...developing) dumping tons of cash to Rudy, Fred or Mitt ????????????????
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/13/2007 12:42:13 PM
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Team Clinton can't explain ignoring warnings on Hsu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BY JAMES GORDON MEEK and MICHAEL McAULIFF DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU Wednesday, September 12th 2007, 4:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Print Email Suggest a Story WASHINGTON - Hillary Clinton's campaign couldn't explain yesterday why it blew off warnings about felon-turned-fund-raiser Norman Hsu - and the Daily News learned FBI agents are collecting e-mail evidence in the widening scandal. Clinton was forced Monday to give back a whopping $850,000 raised by convicted scam artist Hsu after learning his investment ventures were being probed by the FBI as a potential Ponzi scheme. She earlier gave to charity $23,000 Hsu donated himself after reports revealed he fled sentencing for a $1 million scam in California in 1992. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/12/2007-09-12_team_clinton_cant_explain_ignoring_warni.html While Keith & Woooffff might ignore this story...the FBI certainly is not; let's fully investigate.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/14/2007 3:30:06 PM
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More news is coming out like the mysterious Hsu getting a 5M bail...betting he'll make that one too.And here's another look via the link to Hillary's fundraising problems: Hillary's bobbing for apples http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57629
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/14/2007 5:01:38 PM
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Mr. Hsu had better be under the watchful eye of his gaurds, And let him use only electric shavers, no blades!
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/14/2007 5:39:28 PM
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The New York District Attorney*** is now investigating Hsu for defrauding a New York investment fund out of $40 million dollars and today in court the prosecutor said he heard Hsu was also the target of an investigation of a possible scam in Southern California. "Orange County authorities are on the verge of filing charges on a very similar alleged scam involving $33 million dollars with 50 different investors," said Hautzinger. "I think $50 million is ridiculous frankly," said Defense attorney Eric Elliff. More Trouble Looms For Fugitive Financier Norman Hsu http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=5657188 Asa NYer I have problems w/ the ***NY DA a super liberal who has been endorsed in the past by the Clintons investigating this; as a matter of fact strange that our super liberal STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL is not the investigator..either way not sure they will delve deep into the involvement of Hillary-who they have relations w/.But maybe if they decide to be honest and dig "deep" they could come up w/ grounds to bring her up on charges if appropriate.
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RE: New Clinton Scandal Mirrors 'Chinagate - 9/16/2007 12:32:19 AM
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ORIGINAL: phreddy Did anyone notice the part where Hillary said that the donors who got their(?) money back would be encouraged to donate the returned funds directly to her campaign? What a great way to launder money. There is good reason to suspect that a lot of that money was not the donors' in the first place, but came from Hsu. I would like to think that a person with common sense (and ethics) would distance themselves from all of those people and thier money. Why ask for it to come back with all of the questions it is going to raise? Does she need that $830,000 that bad? Yep, it is a type of money laundering, but a definite show of her greed---doesn't this Christian lady know it's not good to serve or worship $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ? quote:
On Wednesday, she told reporters those "returned" contributions would be welcome back into the campaign. All those "contributors" needed to do was to say the money came from their own personal funds. Quite a scam. (Column continues below) It's reminiscent of turning a $10,000 investment in cattle futures into a $100,000 asset overnight. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57641
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