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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/29/2008 11:21:20 PM
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SealedEternal
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So my question is, did you forget what you said, or are you just having as much difficulty understanding the dictionary as you do the scriptures?
Where is that coming from? The definition of "when" always indicates the time frame of something, which is what I have always said. The context of the verse in discussion is "WHEN the man took his wife and married her". That means that it is indicating the time that he took her and married her by the definition of the term "when" according to the definition you posted. "When" by definition always indicates a specific point in time when it is used in conjunction with a description of a specific point in time, and in other cases refers to a specific period of time when used in conjunction with a description of a period of time. What you're attempting to do is take a verse of scripture which uses the term "when" in conjunction with a description of a specific point in time (When a man takes a wife and marries her) and claim that it is supposed to be "interpreted" to mean a long period of time, but it doesn't work that way. You have to use the definition that fits the context of the sentence rather than cherry picking the one that fits your doctrine.
Apparently you are having trouble with your own dictionary, or are willfully mischaracterizing what it says, because the whole purpose of the word "WHEN" is to indicate the timing of the event it is describing according to every dictionary including yours.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 8:09:21 AM
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Therefore although it is wrong to divorce ones legal spouse, it isn't wrong to divorce ones adulterous partner. I think that whether or not they were legally married to the person in God's eyes, is a circumstance that changes whether they can divorce them or not.
You can't 'divorce' an adulterous partner. It's called a divorce because it dissolves a marriage. You can't just walk away from a second marriage, without getting divorced, and remarry a first spouse. If what you say is true, then a person in a second marriage should be able to simply walk away and move right back in with their first spouse. No legalities involved.
But that isn't how it works because a divorce dissolves a marriage and a second marriage is just as legal and 'real' as a first marriage. Everyone understands this and what constitutes a legal marriage. You add "in God's eyes" to confuse and to give yourself credence. But what you are, in truth and in practical application, pushing is more divorce. You can play around with words all you like, but divorce is what actually has to happen and there's no getting around it.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:43:08 AM
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You can't just walk away from a second marriage, without getting divorced, and remarry a first spouse. If what you say is true, then a person in a second marriage should be able to simply walk away and move right back in with their first spouse. No legalities involved.
I live by God's laws, not by man's laws and an ungodly government. He defines what is a legal marriage. Does that also apply to same sex marriages?
According to His laws the second marriage is not "legal" since He calls it adultery and says the first marriage is binding for life. Since one has "legalized" their adultery- they would have to "unlegalize" it, so that the state would recognize that they are no longer married to that person, and that person would not be considered their spouse as far as being the beneficiary upon their death, and all the other legal ramifications, etc.
The state and the world are the only ones who recognized the marriage in the first place. God tells us which marriages He recognizes.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:44:51 AM
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when Audio Help /ʰwɛn, wɛn; unstressed ʰwən, wən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hwen, wen; unstressed hwuhn, wuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adverb
1. at what time or period? how long ago? how soon?: When are they to arrive? When did the Roman Empire exist?
2. under what circumstances? upon what occasion?: When is a letter of condolence in order? When did you ever see such a crowd?
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3. at what time: to know when to be silent.
4. at the time or in the event that: when we were young; when the noise stops.
5. at any time; whenever: He is impatient when he is kept waiting.
6. upon or after which; and then: We had just fallen asleep when the bell rang.
7. while on the contrary; considering that; whereas: Why are you here when you should be in school?
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8. what time: Till when is the store open?
9. which time: They left on Monday, since when we have heard nothing.
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10. the time of anything: the when and the where of an act.
Main Entry: when
Part of Speech: conjunction
Synonyms: although, during, if, meanwhile, though, until, whereas, while
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So my question is, did you forget what you said, or are you just having as much difficulty understanding the dictionary as you do the scriptures?
Where is that coming from? The definition of "when" always indicates the time frame of something
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The word "when" by definition indicates the time because it is an adverb specifically designed to indicate or ask at what time or at what point something happens.
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When is an adverb specifically designed to indicate or ask at what time or at what point something happens.
However, at least that explains how you have arrived at some of your strange interpretations of scripture i.e. I guess it is just a plane lack of reading comprehension skills. It would be bad enough if you had simply tried to argue that the one definition you liked was somehow to be preferred over all the others, but to ignore the fact that other definitions even exist when the dictionary entry is copied and presented to you just leaves me in utter disbelief. How one can so delude themselves is something I am never going to understand.
Funny thing is that no one, who is not trying to push your agenda, would ever understand "when" to be so narrowly defined as you do. Most people realize that "when" has a much broader range of definition, and look at the context of the sentence to decide exactly what it means. Since English (like any language) is a means of communication that requires reasonable agreement about how words are used before we can understand one another, a refusal to accept the definitions of words used by almost every other speaker of the language is going to make communication with almost anyone else very difficult.
Checkout this poll and see just how many see "when" as a word that defines only a specific point in time. http://forums.crosswalk.com/Marriage/m_3570704/mpage_1/tm.htm#3570961
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:56:52 AM
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I guess it is just a plane lack of reading comprehension skills. It would be bad enough if you had simply tried to argue that the one definition you liked was somehow to be preferred over all the others, but to ignore the fact that other definitions even exist when the dictionary entry is copied and presented to you just leaves me in utter disbelief. How one can so delude themselves is something I am never going to understand.
Benelchi,
This is getting pretty sad. If that's all you can do is try to make someone appear ignorant to try to discredit them instead of answering the questions directed at you and proving your case... you must have a very weak case.
Since you have sufficient reading skills, why haven't you given your interpretation of this verse? Better yet, can you find ONE dictionary that says EVERYONE doesn't include everyone? Maybe we should take a poll of that. I've lost track of the other questions I've asked you lately that you've ignored... but you've had plenty of time to attack others over the meaning of a word that is irrelevant.
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"EVERYONE who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 11:37:59 AM
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Benelchi,
This is getting pretty sad. If that's all you can do is try to make someone appear ignorant to try to discredit them instead of answering the questions directed at you and proving your case... you must have a very weak case.
Wait a minute keepingfaith. Benelchi has refuted Sealed's interpretation of Scripture several times throughout this thread. You must go back and read what Benelchi has said.
Your saying it's sad to make someone appear ignorant/discredit them, but what about the way this camp comes across? Anyone who does not agree with your interpretation has a problem with God? That is a reply I have received. Anyone who does not agree with your position does not want to live according to God's word, etc. That is far worse, in my opinion.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 1:54:03 PM
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 7:06:23 PM
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Benelchi has refuted Sealed's interpretation of Scripture several times throughout this thread. You must go back and read what Benelchi has said.
I have followed Benelchi and have not seen him refute anything with legitimate scripture, and most times he avoids the questions when inconsistencies are pointed out.
Our side is not interpreting anything. We accept scripture as it is written. It is not open to private interpretation.
If you don't believe that "everyone who divorces and marries another commits adultery"... that is your own interpretation and not what Jesus really said.
If you don't believe that "anyone who marries a divorced person commits adultery"... that is your own interpretation and not what Jesus really said.
If you don't believe that "a woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives," ... that is your own interpretation and not what Paul really said.
If you don't believe that "if while her husband lives, she is married to another man she is called an adulteress"... that is your own interpretation and not what Paul really said.
If you don't believe that "a man must not divorce his wife"... that is your own interpretation and not what Paul really said as a direct command from the Lord.
If you don't believe one "must remain unmarried or be reconciled"... that is your own interpretation and not what Paul really said as a direct command from the Lord.
As far as your claim that we think anyone not agreeing with our position is not wanting to live according to God's Word...
If they read "a man is not to divorce his wife" and "everyone who divorces and marries another commits adultery" and "must remain unmarried or be reconciled" and "do not commit adultery" and "do not make a vow and call it a mistake" and "let your yes be yes and your no be no" and "love your enemies" and "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" and "do not seek revenge- do not repay evil for evil" and "forgive 70x7" and "he is merciful to those who are merciful" and "if you love me you will obey me"
I could go on........does it appear that they want to live according to His Word?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 8:01:41 PM
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Please show me in scripture where God demands all second marriages should get a legal divorce? where those in second marriages by your own words one HAS TO "unlegalize" a second marriage? I want Gods word, not your own personal opinion. As far as I know, go and sin no more does not mention a divorce at all, yet you do? is your authority over Gods?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 8:48:58 PM
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Before any believers adds words or takes away words from the holy bible, I hope in fear and trembling he/she always remembers Rev 22:18-19 never let your own personal opinion try to make the bible say something it clearly does NOT say! if you try to do so, BEWARE you are trampling on HOLY ground!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 9:01:47 PM
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However, at least that explains how you have arrived at some of your strange interpretations of scripture i.e. I guess it is just a plane lack of reading comprehension skills.
Why don't you respond to what I said instead of trying to belittle me and call me stupid? I understand fully what the word "when" means and clearly explained it to you several times now:
The definition of "when" always indicates the time frame of something. The context of the verse in discussion is "WHEN the man took his wife and married her". That means that it is indicating the time that he took her and married her by the definition of the term "when" according to the definition you posted. "When" by definition always indicates a specific point in time when it is used in conjunction with a description of a specific point in time, and in other cases refers to a specific period of time when used in conjunction with a description of a period of time. What you're attempting to do is take a verse of scripture which uses the term "when" in conjunction with a description of a specific point in time (When a man takes a wife and marries her) and claim that it is supposed to be "interpreted" to mean a long period of time, but it doesn't work that way. You have to use the definition that fits the context of the sentence rather than cherry picking the one that fits your doctrine.
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It would be bad enough if you had simply tried to argue that the one definition you liked was somehow to be preferred over all the others, but to ignore the fact that other definitions even exist when the dictionary entry is copied and presented to you just leaves me in utter disbelief. How one can so delude themselves is something I am never going to understand.
All of the definitions you posted confirm exactly what I wrote above. You're trying to cherry pick the definition that fits your doctrine rather than the one that fits the context of the verse at hand. Deuteronomy 24:1 is referring to a specific point in time by it's context, yet you insist on claiming it is referring to a long period of time because the term "when" may be used to denote specific long periods of time when the context dictates such, but id doesn't work that way. You have to use the definition that fits the context you are using rather than picking the one that fits the conclusion you want to reach.
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Funny thing is that no one, who is not trying to push your agenda, would ever understand "when" to be so narrowly defined as you do.
Virtually everyone who understands English, and every dictionary understand that the term "when" denotes the time that something occured, and if it is used in conjunction with a specific point in time it means that specific time, and if it is used in conjunction with a specific period of time it denotes that specific time period. That is the only definition of "when" and the entire reason for its existence.
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Most people realize that "when" has a much broader range of definition, and look at the context of the sentence to decide exactly what it means. Since English (like any language) is a means of communication that requires reasonable agreement about how words are used before we can understand one another, a refusal to accept the definitions of words used by almost every other speaker of the language is going to make communication with almost anyone else very difficult.
Checkout this poll and see just how many see "when" as a word that defines only a specific point in time. http://forums.crosswalk.com/Marriage/m_3570704/mpage_1/tm.htm#3570961
You not only ignored what I repeatedly wrote, but lied about what I said and then started a poll which actually confirms my whole point. "When a man is married" is a reference to a specific period of time and therefore denotes the duration of the marriage, which is what I have been saying. That is not the case with Deuteronomy 24 however which references a specific point in time which was "When a man takes a wife and marries her." Here "When" is being used in conjunction with an event and not a period, so it denotes a point in time rather than a period of time. I don't know why you aren't grasping this concept.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 9:12:36 PM
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Please show me in scripture where God demands all second marriages should get a legal divorce? where those in second marriages by your own words one HAS TO "unlegalize" a second marriage?
I can't do that because I haven't been shown in scripture where these are legal marriages and not adultery. I did not say unlegalize a marriage, I said unlegalize the adultery they legalized.
God does not join two people into what He calls adultery. He cannot do that because He is Holy. I echo your warning not to add to the Word.
There is nothing in scripture telling a homosexual to "divorce" either... but I think most would not have a problem speaking truth to someone who is in a same sex marriage and their need for repentance.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 9:15:48 PM
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Please show me in scripture where God demands all second marriages should get a legal divorce?
First of all you have to define your terms. If you are talking about "legal" in relationship to the laws of the secular culture one is living in, and acquiring the proper paperwork related to such, then scripture doesn't deal with the issue.
If you are referring to God's Law on the other hand, scripture says much on the subject. For one thing, He says He joins us for life, and that we cannot separate this bond except by death:
Genesis 2:21-24 So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
Matthew 19:4-6 And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Mark 10: 6-12 "But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again. And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Ephesians 5:22-33 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body. FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.
Romans 7:2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.
1 Corinthians 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.
He also says that if we attempt to "divorce" our spouse and subsequently remarry, we enter into an extramarital affair, because our divorces can't separate the marriage bond:
Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.”
Mark 10:11-12 And He *said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
Therefore if God regards the second so-called "marriage" as adultery, then by definition it is not a marriage, but rather a married person having relations with someone they are not married to. Therefore technically no "divorce" is needed.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 9:19:22 PM
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Therefore if God regards the second so-called "marriage" as adultery, then by definition it is not a marriage, but rather a married person having relations with someone they are not married to. Therefore technically no "divorce" is needed.
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So if a man is married a second time (while his first wife is still living) and he realizes that second marriage is adultery, can he break off relations with the second woman or does he actually have to divorce her?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 9:27:42 PM
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Therefore if God regards the second so-called "marriage" as adultery, then by definition it is not a marriage, but rather a married person having relations with someone they are not married to. Therefore technically no "divorce" is needed.
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So if a man is married a second time (while his first wife is still living) and he realizes that second marriage is adultery, can he break off relations with the second woman or does he actually have to divorce her?
It depends if you're referring to secular law or God's Law.
You could use homosexual marriage as an analogy. I don't believe that God regards two men or two women as being legally married, but many secular authorities do. I would probably advise them to fill out whatever legal paperwork is necessary to bring their civil status back into harmony with God's.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 9:33:12 PM
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Hi SE- I'm talking God's law.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 9:40:13 PM
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Hi SE- I'm talking God's law.
Hi,
If He says the second "marriage" is adultery then by definition it is not a legal marriage, but they are married to someone else which is the person they thought they divorced. I don't see any reason why God would require a formal "divorce" from what He calls an extramarital affair. I think He'd just expect the person to put a stop to the adulterous relationship.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:07:25 PM
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You not only ignored what I repeatedly wrote, but lied about what I said and then started a poll which actually confirms my whole point. "When a man is married" is a reference to a specific period of time and therefore denotes the duration of the marriage
That seem very different from how you defined "a specific point in time" in previous posts; however, if that is how you now define a "specific point in time", the I will accept that Duet. 24:1-4 denotes the same duration of time i.e. the duration of the marriage when speaking about when a man can divorce his wife.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:10:05 PM
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Hi SE- I'm talking God's law.
Hi,
If He says the second "marriage" is adultery then by definition it is not a legal marriage, but they are married to someone else which is the person they thought they divorced. I don't see any reason why God would require a formal "divorce" from what He calls an extramarital affair. I think He'd just expect the person to put a stop to the adulterous relationship.
SealedEternal
But how would that look to unbelievers or immature believers if this man does not divorce the second wife?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:18:29 PM
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Hi SE- I'm talking God's law.
Hi,
If He says the second "marriage" is adultery then by definition it is not a legal marriage, but they are married to someone else which is the person they thought they divorced. I don't see any reason why God would require a formal "divorce" from what He calls an extramarital affair. I think He'd just expect the person to put a stop to the adulterous relationship.
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But how would that look to unbelievers or immature believers if this man does not divorce the second wife?
Just about as bad as it does to mature believers who see people advocating such wickedness and blaming God for it.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:27:32 PM
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SealedEternal
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But how would that look to unbelievers or immature believers if this man does not divorce the second wife?
It would probably look bad, but you said you were referring to God's Law. I personally would advise them to fill out the proper secular paperwork to bring their legal status into compliance with God's Law.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:31:45 PM
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You not only ignored what I repeatedly wrote, but lied about what I said and then started a poll which actually confirms my whole point. "When a man is married" is a reference to a specific period of time and therefore denotes the duration of the marriage
Benelchi:
That seem very different from how you defined "a specific point in time" in previous posts; however, if that is how you now define a "specific point in time", the I will accept that Duet. 24:1-4 denotes the same duration of time i.e. the duration of the marriage when speaking about when a man can divorce his wife.
But that's not what the text says... it says "When he marries her"
which is very different from:
"When he is married"
I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that it means the duration of the marriage.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:34:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: SealedEternal
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But how would that look to unbelievers or immature believers if this man does not divorce the second wife?
It would probably look bad, but you said you were referring to God's Law. I personally would advise them to fill out the proper secular paperwork to bring their legal status into compliance with God's Law.
SealedEternal
OK- still not sure how we can reconcile that to God hates divorce though.
I know that there are those who would say that God never recognized the second marriage, so the divorce is just a formality, but I'm not sure if I agree with that or not.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:47:46 PM
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You not only ignored what I repeatedly wrote, but lied about what I said and then started a poll which actually confirms my whole point. "When a man is married" is a reference to a specific period of time and therefore denotes the duration of the marriage
That seem very different from how you defined "a specific point in time" in previous posts;
I wrote almost the exact same thing in three or four previous posts, and you deleted my response and instead pulled up more vague definitions from far earlier posts, and proceeded to say I lack reading and comprehension skills. Are you simply not reading what I write, or are you intentionally trying to mischaracterize my position to disparage and belittle me?
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however, if that is how you now define a "specific point in time", the I will accept that Duet. 24:1-4 denotes the same duration of time i.e. the duration of the marriage when speaking about when a man can divorce his wife.
You're still failing to grasp the concept. "When a man took his wife and married her" is a specific point in time, and not a time period. "When a man was married to his wife" denotes a time period of the duration of a marriage, and not a specific point in time. Please tell me you understand the difference? The word "when" always denotes a time, but whether the time is a specific point in time or a specific period of time depends on whether it is being used in conjunction with a reference to a point in time, or a reference to a time period.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 6/30/2008 10:59:35 PM
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But how would that look to unbelievers or immature believers if this man does not divorce the second wife?
It would probably look bad, but you said you were referring to God's Law. I personally would advise them to fill out the proper secular paperwork to bring their legal status into compliance with God's Law.
SealedEternal
OK- still not sure how we can reconcile that to God hates divorce though.
I know that there are those who would say that God never recognized the second marriage, so the divorce is just a formality, but I'm not sure if I agree with that or not.
Again, you have to define whether you are referring to ungodly secular laws that contradict God's Law, or if you are referring to His Law. If He says the second "marriage" is adultery then by definition He never regarded it as a marriage, so by His definition there cannot be a divorce. That's why I used the analogy of homosexual marriages, because most people understand that since God doesn't accept it as legal to begin with, it is not wrong to end the relationship, but is actually the moral thing to do. I would advise them to fill out the secular paperwork to bring thier status back into harmony with God's Law, so that there is no confusion that they have repented of the unlawful relationship, but scripture doesn't specifically address this issue.
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