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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/26/2007 5:00:55 PM
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tony.nz
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Good information.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/26/2007 9:44:17 PM
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Fascinating stuff but I fail to see the relevance to prophecy and end times thread.
Personally, I've always thought that its possible to explain UFO sightings and alien abduction possible demonic activity.
Then again then idea of life on other planets isn't a major challenge to my faith either!
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/27/2007 12:08:58 AM
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I think it has a lot to do with end times prophecy. After all, in Revelation it says Satan will deceive the whole world, maybe getting people to believe there are aliens is a big part of the deception.
Demons dont have bodies, and thats why they were inside of other people's bodies, and Jesus cast them out of people. Fallen angels do have bodies. Actually demons and fallen angels are two different things. Its in the First book of Enoch
1 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: 'Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous 2 man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: "You should intercede" for men, and not men 3 for you: Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling. 8 And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon 9 the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; 10 they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless 12 hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/noncanon/ot/pseudo/enoch.htm
Its the same thing as in Genesis 6 when the sons of God came and had children with the daughters of men, and Nephilim were on the Earth. The departed spirits of dead Nephilim are demons (also called evil spirits).
Which should I think First Enoch should be canon, because Jude quotes directly from First Enoch, and Peter also draws from it, in the Bible, which is canon.
In abductions and encounters, Aliens do seem to have bodies, from abduction accounts, which would make it so they are fallen angels.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/27/2007 12:08:04 PM
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I think it has a lot to do with end times prophecy. After all, in Revelation it says Satan will deceive the whole world, ......
I Agree; I believe it belongs here too!!
I was sent the following email, from our oldest daughter ( lives out of State); a Christian and Crosswalk member; who asked, "Interesting??"
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53820
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Fascinating stuff but I fail to see the relevance to prophecy and end times thread.
There are those who are searching for truth in this area, where else on board would you suggest it be discussed?
I, for one, will be following this discussion.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/27/2007 1:10:05 PM
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My Baptist Pastor once, had a a night sermon on Aliens. Seems in the Bible (He's a KJV) the color of fallen angels was a shade of green.( In some passages). Interesting how most aliens are green.
Also, even if there are lights in the sky, or other unexplained things, GOD is in-charge of it ALL.
If you see a phenomenon, it's in GODs hands. I look at UFOs as OK, God knows about it, and just trust God.
I read a book, many years ago, some WWII pilots were in China, fighting the Japanese. A bright light was in field, later they walked over and there was a large burned area. They wrote in a very matter-of-fact way. They wern't worried about aliens at the time, just flying their airplanes.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/27/2007 1:11:31 PM
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Interesting stuff.
I and a few friends started a UFO club in HS back in the early 70s, while the flap of '68-'71 was winding down. I was the only believer, but we all were surprised to read many accounts of contacts where the "aliens" talked in glowing terms of a new order, universal brotherhood but seemed to vehemently deny Christ and the bible. There were also accounts where faith did not come up or the "aliens" refused to respond. THERE WAS NOT ONE INSTANCE that we found where these visitors acknowledged Christ or the bible. EVER.
I still think it is some kind of devilish manifestation.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/27/2007 1:30:14 PM
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I still think it is some kind of devilish manifestation.
I TOTALLY AGREE!! However, it needs to be discussed and exposed as such, so that those who could be deceived has something [someone-->Jesus Christ] to keep their minds and hearts on. For it is written: "And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/27/2007 3:25:39 PM
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For the most part, the church has taken the stance that if you saw a ufo you were either momentarily insane, hallucinating or the victim of a hoax.....
The church does not want to deal with supernaturalism in any form, be it the occult (all fakery) or gifts of the Spirit. (all ceased at the end of the first century) To try to get the church to deal with this you have to get past that mindset.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/28/2007 8:44:18 AM
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Thanks for that website! I bookmarked it to read in its entirety later on, although I glanced over many portions of it. Yes, I do believe that aliens are something devilish as the "Genesis 6" incident (as I call it) was an attempt for Satan's kingdom to produce a race of his own using human women.
I'm not so sure that demons (spiritual entities like Satan) are the ones wanting to possess a person as much as the spirits of the hybrid beings begotten from Genesis 6. It almost seems as if the devilish souls of those hybrid "men of renown" want to reinhabit a human body again.
I came across another site that thinks that the grays, reptilians, and the shadow people (aka dark poltergeists) are all related, but differing in rank. The grays were the lowest recruits  but if one is haunted by a shadow person (e.g. hat man) that is really bad. One often hears stories of "men in black" after a UFO sighting. Yes, I think there's definitely part of the Genesis 6 continuation of the demonic activity going on here since we are approaching the end times.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/28/2007 10:51:15 AM
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I'm from Roswell New Mexico,as most of you know,it is where an alien space ship supposedly crashed. In my opinion,it is demonic. The devil has so many people wrapped up in this junk,and I think it's all from him. Every year around the 4th of July,there is the huge alien festival.It brings in lots of people,and lots of money. And it gets bigger every year. We don't even come into to town during all that.(We live about an hour away on a ranch) But there are just so many weird people,and there is just a creepy feeling about it all. What better way to get people thinking and seeking something besides the Lord Almighty?
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/28/2007 11:06:45 AM
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I totally agree with this:
"Deceiving The Elect -
Why Study UFOs?"
Copyright 1999-2001 Guy Malone
We believe that many within the church seem to take a perhaps misguided liberty of over-confidence, by assuming that they will not be led astray by false signs or doctrines. We remember Jesus said that false christs and prophets would appear to deceive the elect "if that were possible" and thus consider ourselves immune from deception, as if we just somehow automatically inherit an "anointing" to not be deceived.
This is not the case however; in both recorded instances of that statement (Mt 24:24, Mk 13:22), Jesus followed it by emphasizing, "So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time." There is the implication that sound, anointed teaching is what guards the believer from deception, not some supernatural immunity. The church has always had to zealously guard against doctrinal deception. Much of Paul's writing is dedicated to refuting false doctrines that were creeping into the early church, and leading many astray. Relevant to this age, we are specifically told in 1 Timothy 4 "... that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons." Ephesians 4 affirms that the pastor/teacher has the charge to prevent this. ......see more:
http://www.alienresistance.org/dtelect.htm
As one of our other daughters has said, "It's a lot to process, but very interesting, and it answers a lot of questions I've had that nobody within the Church/churches is willing to talk about. I like the statement : 'The one thing we can offer people in this field, that nobody else is offering, is hope...'--- http://www.alienresistance.org/ "
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 2/28/2007 12:53:32 PM
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DaveW: I still think it is some kind of devilish manifestation.
Agreed. I put ghosts and apparitions [such as Marian apparitions] into the same category, as well. UFO's, ghosts, and apparitions consistently focuses people on everything BUT Jesus Christ, often to the point of obsession.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/1/2007 2:31:30 AM
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I've recommended this book before and I recommend it again:
Lights in the sky & little green men : a rational Christian look at UFOs and extraterrestrials by Hugh Ross, Kenneth Samples, Mark Clark.
They go through all the science of why UFOs are not really space ships, etc., and then they put forth a solid case as to why these abduction and sighting stories are demonic in origin.
I agree with the author of the website that ufology has seduced many people away from the church. And I can see how this could become a false world religion. 'Nice' aliens, the kind who are 'wiser and more advance' than us are very powerful draws for people who don't have faith in God. We all have an innate desire for a perfect place, but Andromeda ain't it!
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/1/2007 7:36:21 AM
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I've recommended this book before and I recommend it again:
Lights in the sky & little green men : a rational Christian look at UFOs and extraterrestrials by Hugh Ross, Kenneth Samples, Mark Clark.
They go through all the science of why UFOs are not really space ships, etc., and then they put forth a solid case as to why these abduction and sighting stories are demonic in origin.
I agree with the author of the website that ufology has seduced many people away from the church. And I can see how this could become a false world religion. 'Nice' aliens, the kind who are 'wiser and more advance' than us are very powerful draws for people who don't have faith in God. We all have an innate desire for a perfect place, but Andromeda ain't it!
GREAT INFORMATION  Thank you for sharing it here. I had heard of the Book sometime ago but I got side-tracked and never ordered it, when I thought about it again I found that I had forgotten the Title and author.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/3/2007 5:12:54 PM
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Jeb, oh how I envy your location! I would love to go to the festival... it has a webpage here:
http://www.roswellufofestival.com/
This year they are having Michael Heiser Phd. there, he's a Christian theologian thats does studies in Hebrew, I've looked at his work, its awesome, he has a webpage here:
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/
He has alot of research on fallen angels in the Old Testament.
Also, Guy Malone is listed as a speaker, he's the one that has the Alien Resistance websites I posted above, so Im sure that would be interesting to hear what he has to say.
And looking around, I found another website that is a Christian counseling organization for alien abductees called Alien Abduction Crisis Centers of America here:
http://www.aaccoa.org/aboutus.html
And it says on that site that these Christians met at the Roswell July Festival! So I would guess there are some weird people there, but I think there is a strong Christian presence there as well. Somewhere on there site I think it said they are probably going to have a booth set up at the festival this July.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/7/2007 2:17:47 PM
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Jeb, oh how I envy your location! I would love to go to the festival... it has a webpage here:
http://www.roswellufofestival.com/
This year they are having Michael Heiser Phd. there, he's a Christian theologian thats does studies in Hebrew, I've looked at his work, its awesome, he has a webpage here:
http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/
He has alot of research on fallen angels in the Old Testament.
Also, Guy Malone is listed as a speaker, he's the one that has the Alien Resistance websites I posted above, so Im sure that would be interesting to hear what he has to say.
And looking around, I found another website that is a Christian counseling organization for alien abductees called Alien Abduction Crisis Centers of America here:
http://www.aaccoa.org/aboutus.html
And it says on that site that these Christians met at the Roswell July Festival! So I would guess there are some weird people there, but I think there is a strong Christian presence there as well. Somewhere on there site I think it said they are probably going to have a booth set up at the festival this July.
I know how compelling of an interest in this area and/or other areas---like this folder [Prophecy & End Times]---can be (for a desire to search & know truth); BUT I would caution you to read and continue to re-read Colossians 2:1-15 and keep the written Word of God in focus at all times; tread very carefully.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/8/2007 8:12:03 PM
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I looked at Col 2, and I get what you are saying. I have read alot on all this, and I think most of it is correct. I am wary.... I like how Col 2:15 applies:
[And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
These words of principalities and powers are usually interpreted here to be referring to fallen angels or demons of some sort. The same words are used in Eph 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places], Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
And that relates to what I find to be the most interesting, and glorious thing about all of this material. That people who feel they are experiencing alien abductions have found that the abductions stop in the name of Jesus Christ, and according to those sites, there are over a hundred documented cases of this. For the name of Jesus Christ is far above every other name that is named, and above all principalities and powers.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/9/2007 8:08:44 PM
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Interesting reading. One October night I walked out the backdoor and wanted to say I hoped to see a shooting star but UFO came out instead. Have no idea where it came from. My husband said don't look now ... I looked up over our garage and there was a huge, silent, triangular shaped object with a light at each point moving slowly over our yard. It wasn't very high so I got a good look at IT. Something that big should make a sound, there was complete quiet. We watched until it disappeared behind the tall oaks. Very strange!
Do the Scientologists believe they are possessed by alien spirits? I read that.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/10/2007 9:25:32 AM
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I dont agree with some of the things posted on the site however I do believe most of the UFO Alien,and abduction stories are of demonic origin and Christians that have Christs power have nothing to worry about.However to expose these fallen angels to those God wills is my desire also.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/10/2007 1:31:31 PM
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My Great grandmother Ross was an Evanglelist she preached in the old tent revivals. She had a spiritual gift decerning the spirits. I onced asked what her openion was on the subject and she said they were demons, fallen angles as such. She passed away many years ago but she could lay her hand on someone demon possessed and they would throw them up as frogs.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/17/2007 12:38:51 AM
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Hattie- Awesome link! I was already familar with the Interdimensional hypothesis, and I think it holds alot of merit. That was a great article, thanks for posting about it.
For those that don't know what the Interdimensional hypothesis is:
Length is the 1st dimension, Width is the 2nd dimension, Height is the 3rd dimension (3 dimensions = space) and Time is the 4th dimension.... put them together and you have space-time.....then the idea is that the 5th dimension is another dimension of reality more than just space-time (of which all matter and energy is a part of), and a 5th dimension might plausibly be considered a spiritual dimension. And it is from this 5th spiritual dimension that fallen angels would cause supernatural UFOs, and "aliens" to appear from... I think the idea holds alot of merit.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/17/2007 5:03:28 AM
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I understand current theories hold that the beginning of the universe would require the existence of at least 10 dimensions.
http:///www.godandscience.org/apologetics/xdimgod.html
It would seem best therefore to understand the spiritual dimension(s) as that which exists outside of our space-time continuum. I believe Heaven and Hades to exist in other dimensions. It is difficult to speculate on the manner in which these dimensions intrude upon our space-time envelope. Obviously, God can operate in all dimensions that exist because they are all His creation, however the basis on which other beings like Angels or demons can intrude is unclear.
I think it is clear that alien experiences are demon related. Even if alien intelligent life existed in our space-time continuum, then the physical universal laws would preclude interstellar travel in any meaningful timeframe, meaning that such beings would need to find a way to enter and exit other dimensions. Scientists have speculated on the existence of such wormholes in space. However such activity in itself is a hallmark of demon spirits, rather than that of "flesh and blood" which finds it's home in our space-time. In other words, if we were to find such theoretical "wormholes", we would have to leave our flesh behind, I believe.
I thought the similarities described between "alien abductions" and satanic ritual abuse was extremely pertinent.
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RE: Aliens, Fallen Angels, UFOs Check This Out!! - 3/17/2007 7:02:04 PM
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I understand current theories hold that the beginning of the universe would require the existence of at least 10 dimensions.
http:///www.godandscience.org/apologetics/xdimgod.html
It would seem best therefore to understand the spiritual dimension(s) as that which exists outside of our space-time continuum. I believe Heaven and Hades to exist in other dimensions. It is difficult to speculate on the manner in which these dimensions intrude upon our space-time envelope. Obviously, God can operate in all dimensions that exist because they are all His creation, however the basis on which other beings like Angels or demons can intrude is unclear.
I think it is clear that alien experiences are demon related. Even if alien intelligent life existed in our space-time continuum, then the physical universal laws would preclude interstellar travel in any meaningful timeframe, meaning that such beings would need to find a way to enter and exit other dimensions. Scientists have speculated on the existence of such wormholes in space. However such activity in itself is a hallmark of demon spirits, rather than that of "flesh and blood" which finds it's home in our space-time. In other words, if we were to find such theoretical "wormholes", we would have to leave our flesh behind, I believe.
I thought the similarities described between "alien abductions" and satanic ritual abuse was extremely pertinent.
Very Good post!!! Thank you for posting the link.
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