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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 5:22:44 PM
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embracing_sonship
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Well, to put it better, it's not the engineering mind per se, as you are excluding others with a similar mind, and including some with a different mind. What you are seeing is a whole lotta left brain thinkers vs. right brain thinkers.
Left brainers are very anylitical. We are objective, need numbers to support our theories, there's no two ways about anything, etc. Typically, we are your engineers, computer geeks, teachers, scientists, etc.
Right brainers are very subjective. Anything and everything goes. There are many ways to skin a cat for these folks. Always looking for a new thing to try. Musicians, artists, socialites, etc.
I also had to chime in here with a joke I heard from a Jim Gaffigan (a comedian). He was talking about the oft-used phrase "It's not brain surgery." He then asked the question, "What do brain surgeons say?" "Uh, well, it's not like trying to date women."
Anyway, I think us engineers just need to use our right brains a little more, and stop trying to find a "formula" in how to find/date Christian women.
Here is a test where you can check to see if you are more right brained or left brained. You have to scrool to the bottom and manually score it. There is an executable version, but I don't think I can post that here.
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 5:35:46 PM
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Elena1030
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Well, to put it better, it's not the engineering mind per se, as you are excluding others with a similar mind, and including some with a different mind. What you are seeing is a whole lotta left brain thinkers vs. right brain thinkers.
Left brainers are very analytical. We are objective, need numbers to support our theories, there's no two ways about anything, etc. Typically, we are your engineers, computer geeks, teachers, scientists, etc.
Right brainers are very subjective. Anything and everything goes. There are many ways to skin a cat for these folks. Always looking for a new thing to try. Musicians, artists, socialites, etc.
Hmm...
Then again... there are us analytical folks who combine both linear (algebraic) processing and more organic/holistic/intuitive processing.
I do agree that at some point theories and formulas and metaphors break down--->they do not capture the reality of the unique complexity of each individual human being.
Thus...
Two people getting together and getting married and becoming one flesh truly IS a mystery. (Thank you, wise person who wrote down the proverb in the Book of Proverbs. Whoever you were.)
What a wonder God's plan is! What a wonder His creation is! How unfathomable He Himself is! And yet, He draws us in, woos us, offers Himself and all this mystery to us.
May we go forward to enter in... to experience the mystery and the joy... to still tremble in delight and awe...
For wouldn't it be sad if everything was explained... and became so familiar to us... that it lost its sparkle.
Our having to wait till heaven, to understand many things, is a very wise component God put in His plan.
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 5:51:59 PM
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Hmm...
Then again... there are us analytical folks who combine both linear (algebraic) processing and more organic/holistic/intuitive processing.
You, my friend, are a rare breed. Or should I say, one more in touch with what God has given us.
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I do agree that at some point theories and formulas and metaphors break down--->they do not capture the reality of the unique complexity of each individual human being.
Thus...
Two people getting together and getting married and becoming one flesh truly IS a mystery. (Thank you, wise person who wrote down the proverb in the Book of Proverbs. Whoever you were.)
What a wonder God's plan is! What a wonder His creation is! How unfathomable He Himself is! And yet, He draws us in, woos us, offers Himself and all this mystery to us.
May we go forward to enter in... to experience the mystery and the joy... to still tremble in delight and awe...
For wouldn't it be sad if everything was explained... and became so familiar to us... that it lost its sparkle.
Our having to wait till heaven, to understand many things, is a very wise component God put in His plan.
Don't you just love trying to figure out some of the mysteries of God though? Yes, it usually becomes a futile experience, but that is usually what puts me in so much awe. You know, I may be an engineer, and tend to side with science and technology, but I get the most upset when watching the Discovery Channel or hearing somebody blatantly trying to disprove there is a God in heaven. You know what people, our minds will never comprehend or understand everything. Give it up, and have a little faith, won't ya??!!! 
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 6:01:41 PM
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When I was in my Atmospheric Dynamics and Thermodynamics classes while in grad school, I sat in awe each day wondering how ANYONE who studied this stuff could think it "just happened". I would walk out of class feeling closer to God than I did most times during devotions or church! To see how HE created the atmosphere to work was just utterly amazing!
Anyway, I say that because I am much more left-brained (or thinking like a man) than many women, however, I also have many of the right-brained qualities that keep me feminine enough.
I understand Engineers, because I think like them. 
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 6:02:29 PM
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Hmm...
Then again... there are us analytical folks who combine both linear (algebraic) processing and more organic/holistic/intuitive processing.
You, my friend, are a rare breed. Or should I say, one more in touch with what God has given us.
Wow... Thanks!
That's a really neat compliment. And well worded too! 
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I do agree that at some point theories and formulas and metaphors break down--->they do not capture the reality of the unique complexity of each individual human being.
Thus...
Two people getting together and getting married and becoming one flesh truly IS a mystery. (Thank you, wise person who wrote down the proverb in the Book of Proverbs. Whoever you were.)
What a wonder God's plan is! What a wonder His creation is! How unfathomable He Himself is! And yet, He draws us in, woos us, offers Himself and all this mystery to us.
May we go forward to enter in... to experience the mystery and the joy... to still tremble in delight and awe...
For wouldn't it be sad if everything was explained... and became so familiar to us... that it lost its sparkle.
Our having to wait till heaven, to understand many things, is a very wise component God put in His plan.
Don't you just love trying to figure out some of the mysteries of God though? Yes, it usually becomes a futile experience, but that is usually what puts me in so much awe.
Yep!
I just come at it from a different angle.
I'm a poet. (And the editor in me is the analytical side!)
So... I often channel that awe into words. Or I go looking for experiences in creation (like, going for a walk in a local nature reserve) in order to write poems... knowing that I certainly will meet God and experience Him and beauty... and have something to write. Just exactly how it will come about or when or what He'll show me... that's the unknown.
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You know, I may be an engineer, and tend to side with science and technology, but I get the most upset when watching the Discovery Channel or hearing somebody blatantly trying to disprove there is a God in heaven. You know what people, our minds will never comprehend or understand everything. Give it up, and have a little faith, won't ya??!!!
I hear ya!!
Makes me want to do this  to the TV!!
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 6:42:53 PM
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I really think that forums like these bring out the engineer types - just an observation I've made from over the years dealing with online communities such as these.
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 9:30:33 PM
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Graciously the men have taken on the task of sharing a man's mindset with us women. Though I find their thoughts very interesting much of what is stated does not line up with my real life experiences.
I could turn this statement around and say the same thing about women.
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 10:12:28 PM
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Still waiting for our Resident Engineer to chime in on this thread ...
I know one single engineer, who, alas, seems doomed to permanent singlehood because, on top of his right-brained thinking, he appears to be chronically relationship-phobic. I am not just saying this because nothing ever materialized between us. He is an attractive, successful professional, and if he wanted a relationship, I have no doubt he'd be in one.
Some of you have seen me refer to him around these parts as the King of the Mixed Signals.
But I would not blame his quirks on his chosen profession. To quote Roomie, he's got "more issues than a newsstand." And he seems incapable of making up his mind about ANYTHING, including whether to adopt a cat, whether to join a church (or even visit a second time) let alone the bigger life decisions.
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 10:13:29 PM
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Well, to put it better, it's not the engineering mind per se, as you are excluding others with a similar mind, and including some with a different mind. What you are seeing is a whole lotta left brain thinkers vs. right brain thinkers.
Left brainers are very anylitical. We are objective, need numbers to support our theories, there's no two ways about anything, etc. Typically, we are your engineers, computer geeks, teachers, scientists, etc.
In other words the great provider types, stable, make good money, make great husbands.
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Right brainers are very subjective. Anything and everything goes. There are many ways to skin a cat for these folks. Always looking for a new thing to try. Musicians, artists, socialites, etc.
Or the great fun type. Flighty, spontaneous, usually unemployed and running off with whomever tickles their fancy next.
(Relax people, I'm kidding  )
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/14/2007 10:17:42 PM
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Then again... there are us analytical folks who combine both linear (algebraic) processing and more organic/holistic/intuitive processing.
Another angle to look at is the goal oriented vs process oriented dichotomy. I've known engineers of both types. So just right brain vs left brain doesn't explain it all.
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/15/2007 1:00:42 PM
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I would like to believe, that we are all unique beings. Yes, we have similar traits.. but we are unique. For the guys to answer this question it would and only be from their own unique perspective - because not every foot fits in the same size shoe agreed Brenda Lee, we are all unique but any social scientist will tell you people can be grouped by similar thought processes.........I find it very interesting I work in a building full of men, many of whom I have asked the questions which arise here, who think differently. I can't think of a single man I know, in real life, who would not call a woman friend up and ask her to a movie just as friends. My reality does not match with CW......The men I know do not think as the men here.......WHY??????
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tend to side with science and technology, but I get the most upset when watching the Discovery Channel I don't think I have an engineering mindset at all but I love to watch Discovey Channel, especially shows where they are using "evidence" to prove God is not real.........I find their evidence, which they think proves he doesn't exist, prove he not only exist but in a much more powerful way then I can even imagine.......I watched a show on the parting of the red sea........It was facinating........science can prove a volcanio errupted 100's of miles away causing a wave so big it first sucked all the water out only for it to come rushing back in.........digs have found physical evidence of volcanic rock, chariots, ..........they can trace the exact path taken and what happened.......A God who can snap his finger and part the red sea is powerful.......A God who uses His creation, based on His laws of nature, in perfect timing to cause an erruption at the precise time needed with degree of power to cause the exact size wave to travel up the tributaries and suck out the water at the moment Moses strikes his staff........And then to have a tidel wave come barreling back just as the soldiers followed.........WOW that is the God I serve.........The show proved my God's timing is precise and He is in control of all of creation..........WOW
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And Joy..if 70% of engineers are married 1/2 of them are divorced too? My aunt married an engineer but she is an architect.
good point Adriana
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I sat in awe each day wondering how ANYONE who studied this stuff could think it "just happened". I would walk out of class feeling closer to God than I did most times during devotions or church! To see how HE created the atmosphere to work was just utterly amazing! Completely agree Lisa........not only in atmosphere but to see how the laws of nature he designed, which are controlled by him reflect His power and glorly...........WOW
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Or I go looking for experiences in creation (like, going for a walk in a local nature reserve) in order to write poems... knowing that I certainly will meet God and experience Him and beauty... and have something to write. Just exactly how it will come about or when or what He'll show me... that's the unknown. Remove the writing poetry and this is me also Elena
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You just can't get away from us engineering types, can you? It would appear so, at least not on crosswalk........I think Lisa is right forums must appeal more to engineering type men.
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To answer your question, I think we are hearing from a smattering of men, but not even enough to be a section of the populous.
agreed
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I could turn this statement around and say the same thing about women. Pauley are you telling me, we women here, are not helping you understand the women in your everyday life?  Here I thought I was the typical, normal, run of the mill woman.
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In other words the great provider types, stable, make good money, make great husbands. Not according to my mother's advice
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I'm assuming you're grouping me with the engineers Yes I was trainfan.......sorry. 
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RE: Are we learning about men or engineers? - 9/15/2007 2:06:25 PM
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I think alot of men think like engineers so it's not so bad a thing. Men think like:
if I pull this lever and press this button, then she will do such and such. But women confound us with their wondrously mysterious thought patterns and life is not as boring as it woudl have been otherwise. =)
There are certain types of people that are regulars to forums like these. So the forums can be self-selective. The same with the types of women that post on here.
And the computer savvy types (techies) will be more likely than the farm hand or the mechanic that doesn't know what the internet is.
And the artists and musicians? Well the stereotype would be they'll be drowning their sorrows with questionable substances after yet again another rejection and failure for their angst ridden art to be accepted by the commercial mainstream. Quite a juxtaposition to not compromise their art and remain obscure and while yet needing to compromise their art to be commercial so that more people can see it and experience what they want to say to the world... such a conundrum (sp?)
They own some clothes and a ratty guitar they play around on now and again and work at Costco to pay the rent while continually hoping for their big break. They live on the rollercoaster of hope and despair.
As an aside, I think the world has enough people yelling at them what to think and since we all have libraries, the world doesn't need many more opinions unless they really are relevant. I guess relevancy is subjective. LOL! *shrug*
While the stereotype of the techie/engineer type will be sitting in a spectacular but empty house he owns as an investment at his decked out computer playing an online RolePlaying game eating pizza and Coke. He spends 90% of the time in the one room in the house; His computer room, that also has a convenient futon bed to crash on.
Anyway I took engineering 2 years, but I got out! My degree was in cognitive science and computers, and I play piano in a worship team, so I think of myself as well rounded. But I still tend towards linear/analytical/scientific thinking but I try to catch myself at it. That's fun! =) Like I expect if I do such and such action, such and such should be the effect. Always. But people don't work that way. And so applying engineering thinking (digital thinking) to an analog world doesn't always work.
But I think engineering types are still good examples of how alot of guys think, there are always exceptions and some guys fall at different places along the continuum. Same with women, not all women are the stereotypical girly and emotional either.
But that was alot of generalities and platitudes there...
back to the specific thingy in the OP, you said some guys seem to be able to be platonic friends with women and in your life experience you've been platonic friends with alot of guys too. I think you should be careful to not generalize what the forum guys have said. But I agree with the guys point of view for the majority of guys. So maybe you met a few exceptions or may | | |
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