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I, for one, felt that over the two centries that this country has existed, we finally had a chance to, in some sort of way, finally put to rest the racial divide in this country.

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"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. What makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling less like that. And that's pretty powerful stuff"

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I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

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gayle1: The reason why some who are against Obama's candacy--and it not only because there are conservative voters, because they cannot stand to see someone of color--anyone make it into many of the fields. I'ts like many could not stand to see Tiger Woods win all these tournaments at first because of his race, but the people gotten used to him because he is a force in golf and not because of his race neither.

If we are going to be a tolorant society, we better get before God and repent of our hatred against our brothers, including those who are our brothers and sisters in christ. I'm not talking about Wright, but those who are around you and are afraid to reach out to them.

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I'm sorry UncleRuckus, but judging by your statements, I totally doubt that you are black. The fact that you are a "new member" tells me that you are most likely a troll. (A troll if you don't know, is someone who is a current member of a site, but opens up a new account so that they can post inflammatory statements without detection.) So of course this will be your last post - it is difficult to keep up deception. Shame on you for abusing this board.

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ORIGINAL: lw9

Just heard this interview last night. Barak Obama plainly states:

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"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know - there's a reaction in her that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. What makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling less like that. And that's pretty powerful stuff"

And before his attempt to gloss over his comments about his Grandmother in the above interview, how did he really describe her?

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I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

Hey... it's so good to know that according to Obama, a typical white person is just like Grandma.

Yes, this IS how Obama views white people. It's an 'us' against 'them' mentality. For anyone who thinks his 'church' meetings haven't affected him and will not affect his decision making, you're living on another planet. A person doesn't attend meetings they don't embrace for 20 years. He is a dangerous, dangerous man.

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

You talking about me again Cow?

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jkdjr25: If you stop and think about what he said and certain patterns of behaviour by white people you'll get a better understanding of what he meant.

How many of us lock our car doors, or are less inlcined to stop when driving through a predominately black neighboorhood even though it might be broad daylight?

It's not overt racism. It's a dozen little things that we all do, most of it unconciously.

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That is what typical white people do, to deny it is to be a liar or terriblely naive.

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jkdjr25: If you stop and think about what he said and certain patterns of behaviour by white people you'll get a better understanding of what he meant.

How many of us lock our car doors, or are less inlcined to stop when driving through a predominately black neighboorhood even though it might be broad daylight?

It's not overt racism. It's a dozen little things that we all do, most of it unconciously.

IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE. IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE. IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE.

But because some of you continue to shove 'racism' down everyone's throat whether it exists or not for a given situation, the racial divide will continue. You only have yourselves to thank for that.

I avoid driving through high crime sections of town because they are, in fact, high crime sections. I don't care *who* lives there - black, white, purple, or green. I don't stop and get a fact sheet on which races are living where and make my driving decisions based upon that. How completely ludicrous.

Basic facts of life are that some areas have higher crime rates than others and are statistically proven to be havens for drug dealers, prostitution, theft, murder, etc. Oh wait... was that statement racist? To some of you, probably.

I am sick and tired of being told how racist 'we' are by people who are operating under their own blind prejudices and racial agendas.

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You'll note that I didn't say high crime areas. I said predominatelt black neighborhoods. The two aren't the same thing. You brought that phrase up and it proves my point beautifully.

It's one of the dozens of things that white people unconciously do. That's the kind of thing that Barack was talking about.

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You'll note that I didn't say high crime areas. I said predominatelt black neighborhoods.

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jkdjr25: You'll note that I didn't say high crime areas. I said predominatelt black neighborhoods. The two aren't the same thing. You brought that phrase up and it proves my point beautifully.

It's one of the dozens of things that white people unconciously do.

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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You'll note that I didn't say high crime areas. I said predominatelt black neighborhoods.

Just out of curiosity, since you seem to know. In major cities or cities of any great size, say 100,000 or more. Currently, what predominatley black neighborhoods are not high crime areas? Keeping in mind I am a "typical white person" and just do not understand.

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Ok...I got the chance to listen to Pastor Wright again in full. Honestly everyone, I don't know about you but he did not make any racist comments. It's probably how he said it, but if you look at the historical context in what he said, was he wrong? I know I'm going to get fried for this, but freaking Al Sharpton and I don't like this dude, but freaking Al Sharpton on Greta Van Susteren’s show last night made a darn good point and she had nothing to dispute it. All she can say is "we have to agree to disagree". He spoke out against the system and not once degrade or made a racial slur toward white people.

then.....then.....

That stuff he said about 9/11, and the clips that was on the news was taken completely out of context. He was actually quoting something that an Ambassador name Peck said shortly after the terrorist attack. I listened to the whole thing (thanks youtube) and was floored about the reality of some of his words and how it differs from the context the media put out to the masses.

Here is a blog entry by Roland Martin of CNN
Sermon In Context

if you want the video here it is on Youtube
video

Ok carry on
*** dodging tomatoes and bibles while waiting to be called a misguided heathen ***

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"If today's technology had existed then, I would imagine the media playing quotations of that sort over and over. Right-wing commentators would use the material to argue that King was anti-American and to discredit his call for racial and class justice. King certainly angered a lot of people at the time. "

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ORIGINAL: lw9

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jkdjr25: You'll note that I didn't say high crime areas. I said predominatelt black neighborhoods. The two aren't the same thing. You brought that phrase up and it proves my point beautifully.

It's one of the dozens of things that white people unconciously do.

What did I unconsciously do? You falsely accused me of avoiding black neighborhoods, and I defended myself by stating exactly WHICH types of neighborhoods I avoid, and those are high crime neighborhoods, NOT black neighborhoods, NOT white neighborhoods, NOT purple neighborhoods, and NOT green neighborhoods. The whole point was that I do NOT avoid neighborhoods based on race. Get it? No, of course you don't because you have no desire to hear the facts.

I never once suggested that black neighborhoods are high crime areas. Ironically enough, you are the only making that connection. Remove the blinders and read what is being said rather than what you want to see.

Clearly, ignorance is bliss.

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I'm not up on statistics and that wasn't my point. My point is that we equate a neighborhood with a lot of black people in it to areas of high crime. That's a subconcious thing we do.

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We don't do the same to areas with a lot of asian people

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As for why you, or anyone should vote for Obama. Well since you don't want to and are likely to reject any reason I, or anyone here, could come up with I'm going to decline to answer