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Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, federal ... - 8/3/2009 11:21:56 AM
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staticspark1947
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School will be starting soon. The following link refers to how a third grader won her right to distribute her feelings about Jesus to her classmates. This means that your child is free to exercise their right to freedom of speech and expression. Please make your pastors aware of this right so they can inform their congregations! It would be informative to show this to your local school administrators as well.
I recommend that you read some of the highlights of the decision " M.B.v.LIVERPOOL CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT". She gives her personal testimony on PAGE 10 0f 46 , Item 1 brought tears to my eyes!!
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/publicschools/news.aspx?id=18365&printer-friendly=y
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/3/2009 4:45:52 PM
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staticspark1947
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stampinlady;
Concerning children of non-christian religions. Yes, our laws are made for everyone.
There was much debate over the Pledge of Allegiance concerning One Nation under God
how about with liberty and justice for all ? This means everyone regardless of race ,color, creed,and religion.
Therefore in answer to your question all students are covered under the Constitution regardless. I agree with the Constitution!!!This is America..be thankful that you can carry a Bible, wear a cross and pray in public without being shot by the government. Sure there will always be some nuts who will mock or harass all religions including Christianity but keep your mind and heart on the Lord. After all we are to pray for our enemies, right?.
In case you are interested you can google websites with key words such as " religious rights in public schools" You will find that students can indeed pray in public school. They may not be led in prayer by school officials but they can say grace before lunch and form prayer groups on their own before and after school and during recess, again no teacher or administrative involvement.
Think about it, would you want your child to be led in prayer by a teacher whose faith differs from your own? Why should teachers lead prayers that differs from their beliefs?
I worked in county government 35 years until I retired, and there were lunch hour Bible study groups. We could have Bibles on our desk and we also could display Bible verses on our private work stations. I do not know where people get the idea that religious displays are disallowed in government buildings.
All courts have Bibles !!
Do you know that Congress opens their sessions with prayer? I would have no objection if they were led in prayer by a non-Christian sometimes. After all every US citizen must pay taxes, therefore all taxpayers should be represented. This would be a better country if everyone exercised more tolerance of others!!!
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I would rather be a living bible for all to see than to go around constantly quoting it for actions speak louder than words!!
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/3/2009 7:31:16 PM
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Children are not preventing from practicing their religion in public schools. They never have been.
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 12:36:10 AM
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I don't much care for the handing out fliers/tracts method of evangelism anyway. Being a true friend and living as an example of Christ in this world are what kids should be doing in schools. The commercialism and "fight for our rights" junk makes me nauseous.
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 11:35:43 AM
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I agree with you. The handing out of fliers is not what I would have my child to do. However, I wanted to point out that it is legal to do so as a form of expression. This means also that children may wear a Jesus tee shirt to school if the school allows children to wear tee shirts of pop stars or sport stars!!!
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PRAYER IS LIKE GAS IN OUR TANKS...WITHOUT ACTION ON OUR PART THE CAR DOES NOT MOVE!
I would rather be a living bible for all to see than to go around constantly quoting it for actions speak louder than words!!
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 1:19:45 PM
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Please make your pastors aware of this right so they can inform their congregations!
Pastors cannot do this because it is against the law for them to be involved in political stuff from the pulpit.
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 1:31:08 PM
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Truthfully, this is nothing out of the ordinary. This was a school-specific case that needed clarification.
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 1:50:08 PM
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Please make your pastors aware of this right so they can inform their congregations!
Pastors cannot do this because it is against the law for them to be involved in political stuff from the pulpit.
You're probably right. Is this political or informing the congregations of their rights as taxpayers?So how would you suggest that this information should be spread.? There are so many misconceptions about students rights in public schools. I feel that if our children have the right to free speech and expression,they should be able to exercise their rights!!!
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PRAYER IS LIKE GAS IN OUR TANKS...WITHOUT ACTION ON OUR PART THE CAR DOES NOT MOVE!
I would rather be a living bible for all to see than to go around constantly quoting it for actions speak louder than words!!
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 4:26:55 PM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: coolfamily6
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Please make your pastors aware of this right so they can inform their congregations!
Pastors cannot do this because it is against the law for them to be involved in political stuff from the pulpit.
You're probably right. Is this political or informing the congregations of their rights as taxpayers?So how would you suggest that this information should be spread.? There are so many misconceptions about students rights in public schools. I feel that if our children have the right to free speech and expression,they should be able to exercise their rights!!!
If that's what they want to do ok. But so often I see kids pushed by adults to do these things. One day when my daughter brought her bible to school to read her scripture because she is doing the "read the bible in a year" and got up late. A girl (another Christian BTW) said to her, You cannot read your bible at school. M laughed at her and said why not? The girl said isn't it against some law? M said no. If we can read Harry Potter or Twilight, we can read our bibles. The girl was shocked and even asked one of the teachers (a Christian and former missionary) who confirmed that M was right and said that they could even lead a prayer if they wanted only the teachers could not. This comment encouraged a young man to pray OUT loud over meals during a week long trip. He led his "table" in meal time prayers every day. M was happy because she was at his table. One boy at the table was Muslim and just waited while they prayed. he didn't mind.
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 5:30:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: staticspark1947
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ORIGINAL: coolfamily6
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Please make your pastors aware of this right so they can inform their congregations!
Pastors cannot do this because it is against the law for them to be involved in political stuff from the pulpit.
You're probably right. Is this political or informing the congregations of their rights as taxpayers?So how would you suggest that this information should be spread.? There are so many misconceptions about students rights in public schools. I feel that if our children have the right to free speech and expression,they should be able to exercise their rights!!!
If that's what they want to do ok. But so often I see kids pushed by adults to do these things. One day when my daughter brought her bible to school to read her scripture because she is doing the "read the bible in a year" and got up late. A girl (another Christian BTW) said to her, You cannot read your bible at school. M laughed at her and said why not? The girl said isn't it against some law? M said no. If we can read Harry Potter or Twilight, we can read our bibles. The girl was shocked and even asked one of the teachers (a Christian and former missionary) who confirmed that M was right and said that they could even lead a prayer if they wanted only the teachers could not. This comment encouraged a young man to pray OUT loud over meals during a week long trip. He led his "table" in meal time prayers every day. M was happy because she was at his table. One boy at the table was Muslim and just waited while they prayed. he didn't mind.
Not only have I seen kids pushed by parents to be little "culture warriors", I have seen those same parents then come to church and "brag" ( often in the form of a prayer request) about how little Suzie is really "taking a stand" at school by doing her famous person report on Hudson Taylor and how she is facing "persecution" for not picking Miley Cyrus. 
So refreshing to hear from you ladies who are encouraging your kids to "witness" by loving God and loving people! Keep up the great work moms!
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 6:18:22 PM
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staticspark1947
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I don't know about anyone else but some of these chain letter e-mails that are circulating do not have their facts correct and you're supposed to keep the chain going? I check out facts first. I have gotten so many that insist that God has been taken out of public schools. I try to tell my associates that the Constitution only bars teacher led prayer and for good reason. Would you want your child led in prayer by a teacher whose beliefs differs from yours? Why should teachers be forced to lead a prayer that goes against their beliefs? This is America land of people with many diverse backgrounds and everyone is guaranteed equal rights under the Constitution.
I also encountered a man with megaphone shouting the "we are going to hell" rant. I, too, worked downtown before I retired. I live in Buffalo, NY, we have cold snowy winters. You would not see him on cold snowy or rainy days, only on nice days , however, the people with the hot dog carts would be out unless there was a blizzard. So who was most committed to their cause?
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I would rather be a living bible for all to see than to go around constantly quoting it for actions speak louder than words!!
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/4/2009 11:34:38 PM
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/5/2009 8:33:25 PM
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Please make your pastors aware of this right so they can inform their congregations!
Pastors cannot do this because it is against the law for them to be involved in political stuff from the pulpit.
Pastors CAN encourage their congregation to hand out religious fliers if they want, as it is a RELIGIOUS activity and not a political one. The pastor would not be promoting a political candidate - he would be spreading the Gospel!
Now, having said that, I believe a person's life can reflect Christianity better than handing out a flier. Jesus showed God's love by doing good things for others: healing the sick, feeding the hungry, etc. The Bible plainly states: Faith without works is dead. Your words are nothing if your actions do not reflect them.
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/5/2009 10:31:13 PM
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I thought the law about pastors was that they could not endorse a particular candidate from the pulpit. I don't believe they are never "allowed" to talk politics.
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RE: Girl had right to distribute religious fliers, fede... - 8/5/2009 11:01:16 PM
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staticspark1947
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Hillbillywoman;
As I mentioned earlier the passing out of fliers etc. is not something I would have my child to do. I am happy, however, that this case did go as far as the Federal courts to be settled. This is because there is so much confusion as to what is allowed in the public schools as far as student's expression of their love for Jesus is concerned.Our children are free to pray, wear crosses, and carry bibles etc., but most importantly carry Jesus's love in their tender young hearts, letting their little lights shine to all of their classmates!!
I am with you all the way when it come to actions speaking louder than words. I feel that by quoting scripture and shouting our love for Jesus without compassion for others is writing Our Lord a bad check...Non Sufficient Funds!!!!!
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PRAYER IS LIKE GAS IN OUR TANKS...WITHOUT ACTION ON OUR PART THE CAR DOES NOT MOVE!
I would rather be a living bible for all to see than to go around constantly quoting it for actions speak louder than words!!
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