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Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/17/2009 7:04:59 PM
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Does your church allow dancing in worship ? How often ? Who does the dancing ? What type of dance. What denominations allow dancing ? Who decides what is worn.
I am VERY uncomfortable with dancing in church unless it is children dancing.
I've only seen dancing in church 4 times in 3 different denominations.
The first was VERY traumatic. It was a group of girls with one post adolescent 16 yo who looked 25 & was wearing leotards/body suit.
The other times were young women in their 20's who wore pants or flowey clothes.
I know in the Psalms David danced. Why don't more men dance then ? Was his dancing done in public or private ? Was it done in church ?
Is there NT scripture to support this form of worship ?
Dancing has too much a cringe factor for me. I close my eyes & am relieved when it is over.
I don't recall Jesus having anything to say about dancing.
It seems by just watching Dancing with the Stars & all the provocative moves & costumes that dancing is more Satan's area.
I prefer not to watch mime groups in church, but that is more a preference.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/17/2009 7:22:36 PM
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/17/2009 7:37:34 PM
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(Exodus 15:20; 2 Samuel 6:16; Psalm 30:11, 149:3, 150:4; Ecclesiastes 3:4; Jeremiah 31:13; 1 Samuel 18:6, 30:16; Luke 15:25)
Dancing is an expression of joy, and is very Scriptural. The only instance in Scripture of dancing being negative is when Moses comes down from meeting the LORD at the top of the mountain and finds the Israelites dancing and worshiping a golden calf. Even then, it was not necessarily the dancing that made him angry.
But I agree. Most of the dancing we see nowadays is provocative and filled with perversion. But mostly, I would say that it is the condition of one's heart that determines how they dance. Like I said, dancing is an expression of the heart, just like one's words come from the overflow of his or her heart.
But to answer the original question: The LORD is the Lord of the dance. But just like with anything else, Satan can pervert it and turn it into an instrument of sin. Just like singing, writing, language, etc..
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/17/2009 8:01:01 PM
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Does your church allow dancing in worship ? How often ? Who does the dancing ? What type of dance. What denominations allow dancing ? Who decides what is worn.
I am VERY uncomfortable with dancing in church unless it is children dancing.
I've only seen dancing in church 4 times in 3 different denominations.
The first was VERY traumatic. It was a group of girls with one post adolescent 16 yo who looked 25 & was wearing leotards/body suit.
I am very uncomfortable dancing anywhere.......I have three right feet! LOL
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The other times were young women in their 20's who wore pants or flowey clothes.
I know in the Psalms David danced. Why don't more men dance then ? Was his dancing done in public or private ? Was it done in church ?
Oh....so is it you would rather look at young men rather than young women?  LOL
Seriously though (please dont let my jesting arouse any anger).
I think according to Scripture men and women are supposed to dress in modesty. I suppose modesty could mean a string bikini in our culture these days? In our congreagation no one dances during the service. No one would dance in a body suit for sure. String bikinis are not even permitted at our river baptisms but that would not exclude women that are watching and have had a change of heart.
Body suits do seem a bit........revealing.
I think if I was seen dancing in a body suit people would wonder if we were having a service to save the whales. (Ok....I aint that big and bad)
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Dancing has too much a cringe factor for me. I close my eyes & am relieved when it is over.
Maybe you should find a congregation of like minded people and attend that congregation? That way you would not need to dance or watch anyone dance.
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I don't recall Jesus having anything to say about dancing.
It seems by just watching Dancing with the Stars & all the provocative moves & costumes that dancing is more Satan's area.
I prefer not to watch mime groups in church, but that is more a preference.
I dont know really what to say.
John the Baptist lost his head and I sort of always figured that the girl dancing might have been pretty provocative and outstanding.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/17/2009 10:05:17 PM
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Dancing is HUGE part of Jewish culture, so I would be willing to bet that Jesus did dance.  It's also commanded in the Bible to dance unto the Lord. Most of the churches I've been in had dancing in some way or another, whether it was for a special or an Easter production.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/17/2009 10:19:27 PM
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Consecrated2God,
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Dancing is HUGE part of Jewish culture, so I would be willing to bet that Jesus did dance. It's also commanded in the Bible to dance unto the Lord. Most of the churches I've been in had dancing in some way or another, whether it was for a special or an Easter production.
Good point.
10 Hear, O LORD, and be merciful to me;
O LORD, be my help."
11 You turned my wailing into dancing;
you removed my sackcloth and clothed me with joy,
12 that my heart may sing to you and not be silent.
O LORD my God, I will give you thanks forever. (Psalm 30)
1 Praise the LORD.
Sing to the LORD a new song,
his praise in the assembly of the saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
let the people of Zion be glad in their King.
3 Let them praise his name with dancing
and make music to him with tambourine and harp. (Psalm 149)
1 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under heaven:
2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/17/2009 11:37:18 PM
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It's also commanded in the Bible to dance unto the Lord.
I think it is good to dance, and we can praise God with dancing. But where in Scripture are we commanded to dance unto the LORD? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just not aware of such a command.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 12:32:54 AM
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I think Michael Flatley is lord of the dance.
RE: church dancing
I personally find liturgical dance dumb. Just not my thing. But the bible provides for dancing, so I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it and I do enjoy it in some contexts, both watching and participating.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 1:47:30 AM
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My previous church (I switched churches due to geographical considerations, not because it was a bad church) is a large church that has an extensive local and global ministry. The church is very concerned with Israel, and ends a lot of aid and support to Israel (both to Jewish and Christian groups). As such, we frequently had visitors from Israel, frequently had people from our church visiting Israel.
That rambling and grammatically awful intro was just to say: the church used to offer lessons in Jewish dancing taught by another church of Messianic Jews. It is very fun to do! You almost can't help but be joyful as you travel around the circle. The church has a big dinner and party for the Feast of Tabernacles every year, and one of the highlights is always the "Jewish techno" and spontaneous dancing circles that would form.
One thing I DON'T like is the "interpretive dance" performed by girls in tight outfits. I have seen some done with much more modest outfits that weren't so bad, but for the most part, I have never seen an "interpretive dance" that is anything but mediocre and awkward (and being raised in charismatic churches, I saw a LOT of dancing). I understand that the performer believes they are honoring God through their dance, but for the majority of the congregation it is just.... uncomfortable spectacle followed by some nervous polite applause.
In ll fairness, my opinion is just that: opinion. Just like I would never tell someone what kind of music they HAD to like or which kinds ofmovies they HAD to like, I won't tell someone not to dance, because dancing before the Lord is biblical. Just make sure to do it to the best of your ability, and modestly (though David danced in his underwear, so maybe I need to rethink that )
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 1:55:27 AM
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RE: church dancing
I personally find liturgical dance dumb. Just not my thing. But the bible provides for dancing, so I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it and I do enjoy it in some contexts, both watching and participating.
That sums up my position exactly.
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but for the most part, I have never seen an "interpretive dance" that is anything but mediocre and awkward
This too.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 2:11:24 AM
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Didn't Chris Tomlin write a song about 'The dancing Lord,' or something like that...I think Sonciflood sang the song as well...I'd highly doubt they were singing about the devil...
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 2:19:30 AM
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There are plenty of songs that include references to dancing before the Lord. However, I think it more likely that this refers to spontaneous outbreaks of dancing in a congregation or alone than the entire congregation having to sit by and watch one person doing their own special dance.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 3:50:34 AM
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tsnody2001,
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I think it is good to dance, and we can praise God with dancing. But where in Scripture are we commanded to dance unto the LORD? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just not aware of such a command.
Commandment 11 maybe?
"Thou musteth dancith."
But, musteth one dancith to be saved?
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 3:57:38 AM
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ManimalX,
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Just make sure to do it to the best of your ability, and modestly (though David danced in his underwear, so maybe I need to rethink that )
LOL
True.......but not sure if he was always very modest.
Note to self: Dont dance in underwear at church.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 4:32:07 AM
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ManimalX,
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Just make sure to do it to the best of your ability, and modestly (though David danced in his underwear, so maybe I need to rethink that )
LOL
True.......but not sure if he was always very modest.
Note to self: Dont dance in underwear at church.
KJB
ROFLMBO! I just woke my wife up laughing. Thanks, KJB. You oweme some flowers or chocolates!
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 6:49:53 AM
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I think it is good to dance, and we can praise God with dancing. But where in Scripture are we commanded to dance unto the LORD? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just not aware of such a command.
Maybe not in the "thou must" sense, but when I see something in the Bible in imperative form, I see something God wants us to do. Command might be too strong a word, I'll admit, but it's at least strongly encouraged. 
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 10:51:44 AM
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At certain times during praise and worship many of the folks in our congregation dance while praising the Lord. Nothing choreographed, just folks praising God with thier voice, and with dance.
And on the other side of the coin there are times when many of the folks are prostrate on the floor in deep reverenced prayer and/or worship.
Sometimes visitors are a little taken back at first by the freedom our folks feel in praising and worshiping God, but they quickly see that it is sincere and many of them will be expressive in praise and worship for the first time in thier lives.
And for sure we keep this passage throughout the complete service;
(1Co 14:40) Let all things be done decently and in order.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 4:07:14 PM
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2 a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3 a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
4 a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5 a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain,
6 a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7 a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8 a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.[/color]
KJB
We aren't born in church or die in church. It doesn't say the dancing is done in church.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 4:27:02 PM
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Considering that the 'church' is not a building, but the people, shouldn't we be dancing both physically, and with our spirits to our Lord who has saved us..? 'Dancing' may not be mentioned in the NT as something required, but it doesn't say it is forbidden either, right..?
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 4:38:32 PM
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Considering that the 'church' is not a building, but the people, shouldn't we be dancing both physically, and with our spirits to our Lord who has saved us..? 'Dancing' may not be mentioned in the NT as something required, but it doesn't say it is forbidden either, right..?
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It does not take a lot of "Creative reading" (and observing the Greek) to see that Jesus in Luke 10; 21-23 was jumping up and down turning around and rejoicing greatly (Dancing in the Spirit?).
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 4:49:17 PM
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So far I only see one NT scripture about dancing. That scripture is about the prodigal son & the dancing was done within a family gathering NOT in church.
If it isn't in the NT how can it be commanded ?
I wouldn't be comfortable being a member of a church that allowed dancing regularly.
Doubt if spontaneous dancing would be done in a Southern Baptist Church anyway since one has to form a committee to get anything done.
What denominations have dancing during worship ?
Personally, just give me two songs & a sermon !
You do realize, don't you, that the Church of Christ people use this exact same argument to say why using musical instruments is wrong? Funny how many things are "wrong" in the this age of Grace that were sanctioned and encouraged by God in the Old Testament.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 5:12:58 PM
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Not using musical instruments is not mainstream. I've never understood that one. Especially, if they are musical at home. That never made sense to me.
I'm just trying to see if dancing is mainstream & what denominations do it.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/18/2009 5:16:55 PM
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Not using musical instruments is not mainstream.
Does that matter? Please understand that I respect your conviction, and I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong. I'm just helping you think through your point of view.
If one of the reasons you are questioning dancing in church is because it is not found in the New Testament, then you legitimately have to look at the fact that instruments are also not mentioned in the New Testament. You say that it's different because instruments are used in the "mainstream." But, should something being mainstream determine whether or not it is acceptable?
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