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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 8:47:45 AM
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But we should be careful not to box ourselves in with a bunch of rules and regulations that are not Scriptural. If it is taught to us in the Scriptures, then, by all means, follow it. I am beginning to sense myself rambling, so I will come to a close. I sincerely hope and pray that this issue comes to a resolution for you. Blessings from our Father.
I like that and agree with you, tsnody2001, as children of God, we shouldn't be bound by any man-made rules and regulations! True, we shall be free indeed when we are in Christ! 
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 10:45:48 AM
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The Christian school my daughter attends has what they call "drama" but it's more of a choreographed worship team. They "dance" to Christian music. The motions are a cross between sign language and acting out the songs. The high school group travels to churches and youth retreats, etc and performs. The middle school group is mostly in training to join the HS team. However, they did do a coffee house with both groups together last year. It is very beautiful. They "dance" in kahki pants and t-shirts. They have t-shirts with their group logo (Potter's Clay and Living Waters) on it and then different colored t-shirts for different songs/routines. They where white socks, no shoes or jewelry, hair pulled back.
I would have no problem with this type of thing or hte picture consecrated posted. however, I don't agree with most "social" dancing.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 11:03:26 AM
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And based on some of your other post should we feel that you would consider David to be Pentecostal and his nagging wife to be Sourthern Baptist?
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This is what I thought was silly & uncalled for.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 11:08:09 AM
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aroused
uncomfortable
nervous
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Should any of those words be equated with corporate worship ?
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Now I agree with you on this one; if anyone exhibits or has this feelings over someone else worshiping God; then they need to have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with the Pastor to deal with their sin of lust.
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Then they should just get over themselves.
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Then that would be a judgment call, and personally I do not make those type calls on other folks and their worship of God.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 11:28:14 AM
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It is too late to edit the title of this thread. Should have known better. It has been awhile since I have done more than read on forums. Things are black & white for me, probably threw dance out with the bathwater.
Do Jews dance in synagogue ? I know some Messianic Jews do. I doubt Hasidic Jews dance in synagogue. Don't they still segregate the men from the women ? So their dancing is during feasts & weddings.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 1:49:17 PM
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Did anyone notice the Scripture verse I posted from Psalm 150? I also thought it was clear from the passage about King David dancing in his ephod that dancing before the Lord is an expression of worship. It was his wife, Michal, who was wrong in being embarrassed by his actions. David was letting go of his inhibitions before God. He was not being self-conscious, but God-conscious. Although I understand that sexually provocative dancing does not belong in a place of worship, there is no basis for calling dance evil or saying it's not fitting in worship. As someone else on this thread has said, dance belongs to God, just as music and beauty do. Just because the devil has exploited it doesn't mean we should let him have it! That's like saying sex is dirty because the devil has tainted it with so many perversions! But just like sex, dance is an enjoyable part of God's creation, which should be enjoyed in it's proper place. And Scripture confirms that it is proper to dance before the Lord.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 1:54:34 PM
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It is too late to edit the title of this thread. Should have known better. It has been awhile since I have done more than read on forums. Things are black & white for me, probably threw dance out with the bathwater.
Do Jews dance in synagogue ? I know some Messianic Jews do. I doubt Hasidic Jews dance in synagogue. Don't they still segregate the men from the women ? So their dancing is during feasts & weddings.
Apparently they do dance in synagogues. Here's an interesting article: http://forward.com/articles/11694/
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 1:54:49 PM
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For the record, if there is one. Denominations is a new catagory. In the OT there were nations. I don't think David nor his wife were Southern Baptist or Pentecostal. That is REALLY silly & has NOTHING to do with the topic. Putting words in people's mouths doesn't add to a civil discussion. 
Not even sure denominations is mentioned in the Bible. Guess that would be a topic for another thread just like singing would be another topic. 
OK, I'm confused now.... To which post are you addressing this?
Not yours even though I posted after you.
If the comment about putting words in one's mouth is being addressed to me, please know that I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I was just trying to distill your concern into a succinct summary statement and to ask if you sensed that that indeed was at the heart of your concern.
I don't have a problem with anything you have posted so far.
And I want to apologize to you... I used a lot of capital letters, and that looks like I was shouting. But I meant it for emphasis.
Thanks for the apology, but it wasn't necessary. Sorry, for the confusion.
I do agree with you about your underlying concerns about appropriateness and modesty -- that's why it distresses me that you and I seem to be misunderstanding each other. I was attempting to help you see that your concerns are totally valid -- especially about the issues of Who is in charge of the costumes/outfits worn by the movers/dancers? And does the church leadership have input and provide oversight? ... and that those concerns about quality and appropriateness apply as principles across the board in worship. And perhaps that would help frame your concerns... if and when you communicate them to your church, should the need arise.
Thanks ! We do have a new pastor since the last time dance happened in corporate worship. I should ask him what his policy is.
Thanks for your reply, Jackie! I am quite relieved. 
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 4:40:40 PM
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It is too late to edit the title of this thread. Should have known better. It has been awhile since I have done more than read on forums. Things are black & white for me, probably threw dance out with the bathwater.
Do Jews dance in synagogue ? I know some Messianic Jews do. I doubt Hasidic Jews dance in synagogue. Don't they still segregate the men from the women ? So their dancing is during feasts & weddings.
Apparently they do dance in synagogues. Here's an interesting article: http://forward.com/articles/11694/
That seems to be outdoor dancing. That came up when I googled Jews dancing in synagogue. Youtube videos were at weddings. Most of the pictures were outdoors & all Hasidic men on the street or groups outside. So far nothing inside.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 4:45:26 PM
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there is no basis for calling dance evil or saying it's not fitting in worship.
Where have I said it was evil ?
Erring on the side of caution or preferring not to see dancing in corporate worship is a preference.
I also said more power to those who dance modestly in corporate worship.
It just isn't going to happen in corporate worship where I attend.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 4:47:40 PM
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There are plenty of songs that include references to dancing before the Lord. However, I think it more likely that this refers to spontaneous outbreaks of dancing in a congregation or alone than the entire congregation having to sit by and watch one person doing their own special dance.
Could you name some of these songs.
Maybe you could check some of these songs out! Personally, I'd love to dance, and somehow, it may relate to its personal culture or the way he/she grows up! However, to dance for God is not only limited to any denomination, church, group, or in particular lyrics, but with the Spirit of the Lord! Hope this may create profound understanding! When King David danced for HIM, there was no denomination, but only with the hearting of gratitude to the Lord! Good thread though and hope this may create profound understanding and your spirit may be lifted through the songs! Feel like dancing now after listening to the music! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UjxW8WIF0U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhx8FHYBs7k
Ethnic dancing is a whole nother topic
Black worship is sort of like black hair. They have their very own zip code. 
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 4:52:04 PM
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It is too late to edit the title of this thread. Should have known better. It has been awhile since I have done more than read on forums. Things are black & white for me, probably threw dance out with the bathwater.
Do Jews dance in synagogue ? I know some Messianic Jews do. I doubt Hasidic Jews dance in synagogue. Don't they still segregate the men from the women ? So their dancing is during feasts & weddings.
Apparently they do dance in synagogues. Here's an interesting article: http://forward.com/articles/11694/
That seems to be outdoor dancing. That came up when I googled Jews dancing in synagogue. Youtube videos were at weddings. Most of the pictures were outdoors & all Hasidic men on the street or groups outside. So far nothing inside.
Did you read the article?
Here is a portion of it:
B’nai Jeshurun’s Rabbi J. Rolando Matalon said that his synagogue started the tradition of outdoor dancing on West End Avenue in the mid-1990s as an issue not of simcha, per se, but rather of space.
“At the time, we didn’t have the synagogue on 88th Street due to repairs,” Matalon wrote in an e-mail to the Forward. During construction, the congregation utilized the Church of St. Paul and St. Andrew, at 86th Street and West End Avenue, as an alternate service space. “Dancing at the church was very difficult with so many people, so we went outside.”
Taking it outside, it turned out, ramped up Simchat Torah to a whole new level. The synagogue brought out its world-renowned musicians and, with a permit from the city, cordoned off West End Avenue from 86th to 87th Streets, allowing hundreds of Jews to celebrate in the street.
It was originally intended to be a celebration for BJ congregants, but the event quickly developed into the Simchat Torah “happening” of the Upper West Side, with Jews from all affiliations and denominations stopping by to sing, dance and meet people.
But after the events of September 11, 2001, the police did not give the synagogue permission to cordon off the street. According to Matalon, officials said that they had no way of properly securing the event. The last of BJ’s outdoor Simchat Torah celebrations was held in 2000.
“So, we went inside at the synagogue, and found out that it was much better for dancing,” Matalon said. “Outside was nice, but there was a lot of talking and socializing and not enough singing and dancing. It became more of a community happening and less of a true Simchat Torah spiritual experience.”
“Some were disappointed in the beginning,” he added. “But it soon became clear that we can have a better Simchat Torah inside.”
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 8:22:28 PM
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there is no basis for calling dance evil or saying it's not fitting in worship.
Where have I said it was evil ?
Erring on the side of caution or preferring not to see dancing in corporate worship is a preference.
I also said more power to those who dance modestly in corporate worship.
It just isn't going to happen in corporate worship where I attend.
I'm sorry, Abbreviated. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
I haven't found any explicit "command" to dance before God, but I did find one exhortation in Psalms 150 to praise God with dancing.
I understand your reservations, though, to be sure. And I wouldn't accuse you of suppressing the truth or anything if it's just your preference to not dance in church.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/22/2009 8:35:37 PM
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Ethnic dancing is a whole nother topic
Black worship is sort of like black hair. They have their very own zip code.
It is not limited to any particular tribe, race, or nationality to dance for our Lord, but with the Spirit! This are just the songs I found at that moment to share with you, not particular to emphasize in black people. You could find anyone (regardless of color of race) or any worshipper from the youtube, whenever they have praise and worship, being concerts or in the sanctuary, they could always dance for God!
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/23/2009 2:56:27 PM
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there is no basis for calling dance evil or saying it's not fitting in worship.
Where have I said it was evil ?
Erring on the side of caution or preferring not to see dancing in corporate worship is a preference.
I also said more power to those who dance modestly in corporate worship.
It just isn't going to happen in corporate worship where I attend.
I'm sorry, Abbreviated. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
I haven't found any explicit "command" to dance before God, but I did find one exhortation in Psalms 150 to praise God with dancing.
I understand your reservations, though, to be sure. And I wouldn't accuse you of suppressing the truth or anything if it's just your preference to not dance in church.
Thank you !
Satan is subtle. One won't see stripper poles in church, that would be too blatant. But let a mother think it is ok to let her dd dance in a unitard in church, because that is how it is done in ballet, then he is being subtle & divisive. Make people feel uncomfortable watching then have someone say get over it it is your problem.
Did they dance in the Tabernacle in the OT ?
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/24/2009 10:18:26 AM
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Did they dance in the Tabernacle in the OT ?
The Tabernacle isn't the equivalent of a church anyway, so whether they did or not it really doesn't have anything to do with anything.
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RE: Who is Lord of the Dance ? Jesus or Satan ? - 10/24/2009 10:21:53 AM
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Here's an interesting snippet:
A remnant of the ancient traditions is still visible in simchat beit ha’shoeva, or rejoicing at the place of drawing water, a celebration immediately following Sukkot. As Sukkot is also believed to be the time of year when God determines the world’s rainfall for the coming year, a special ceremony was held in the ancient Temple called nisuch ha’mayim, or the water libation ceremony, in which the priests would draw water from a Jerusalem pool and pray for rain. Following the ceremony, the worshippers would make their way to the Temple’s outer courtyard, where they would sing, dance, and give praise to God. While there’s no more Temple, and no more water-drawing ceremony, it’s still customary for Jews to get together in song and dance
http://www.tabletmag.com/life-and-religion/17287/sukkot-faq/
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