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Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 7:49:21 AM
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SonInMe1
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I listen to a local conservative talk show during lunch at work. I am not sure of the accuracy of what they say but one of the announcers said the Obama administration invited the media for a news conference, but not Fox News.
For all we conservatives paint the media as liberal, they did stick up for their own, according to these talk show hosts. The rest of the media would not come unless Fox News was also invited.
IF...this story is true, how does an administration exclude a national news service? So much for a "transparent" administration.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 8:06:24 AM
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I listen to a local conservative talk show during lunch at work. I am not sure of the accuracy of what they say but one of the announcers said the Obama administration invited the media for a news conference, but not Fox News.
For all we conservatives paint the media as liberal, they did stick up for their own, according to these talk show hosts. The rest of the media would not come unless Fox News was also invited.
IF...this story is true, how does an administration exclude a national news service? So much for a "transparent" administration.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php
Feinberg did a pen and pad with reporters to brief them on cutting executive compensation. TV correspondents, as they do with everything, asked to get the comments on camera. Treasury officials agreed and made a list of the networks who asked (Fox was not among them).
But logistically, all of the cameras could not get set up in time or with ease for the Feinberg interview, so they opted for a round robin where the networks use one pool camera. Treasury called the White House pool crew and gave them the list of the networks who'd asked for the interview.
The network pool crew noticed Fox wasn't on the list, was told that they hadn't asked and the crew said they needed to be included. Treasury called the White House and asked top Obama adviser Anita Dunn. Dunn said yes and Fox's Major Garrett was among the correspondents to interview Feinberg last night.
So no, the White House didn't exclude them but basically said, "if we had excluded them that would have been cool too." Meanwhile, Fox was being dishonest about the whole thing.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 12:31:27 PM
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SonInMe1 - IF...this story is true, how does an administration exclude a national news service?
Though I believe it is a mistake to confront Fox in such a public way still I think there is some basis for calling them a legitimate news organization. The argument that there should be a distinction made between Fox News and their "pundits" is somewhat bogus as often one follows the other ...
Some of the reporting is quite laughable except for the fact that there are those who actually buy into it "hook, line, and sinker".
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 1:44:16 PM
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I listen to a local conservative talk show during lunch at work. I am not sure of the accuracy of what they say but one of the announcers said the Obama administration invited the media for a news conference, but not Fox News.
For all we conservatives paint the media as liberal, they did stick up for their own, according to these talk show hosts. The rest of the media would not come unless Fox News was also invited.
IF...this story is true, how does an administration exclude a national news service? So much for a "transparent" administration.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php
Feinberg did a pen and pad with reporters to brief them on cutting executive compensation. TV correspondents, as they do with everything, asked to get the comments on camera. Treasury officials agreed and made a list of the networks who asked (Fox was not among them).
But logistically, all of the cameras could not get set up in time or with ease for the Feinberg interview, so they opted for a round robin where the networks use one pool camera. Treasury called the White House pool crew and gave them the list of the networks who'd asked for the interview.
The network pool crew noticed Fox wasn't on the list, was told that they hadn't asked and the crew said they needed to be included. Treasury called the White House and asked top Obama adviser Anita Dunn. Dunn said yes and Fox's Major Garrett was among the correspondents to interview Feinberg last night.
So no, the White House didn't exclude them but basically said, "if we had excluded them that would have been cool too." Meanwhile, Fox was being dishonest about the whole thing.
That might be the way Chairman Mao or the Obama worshippers would descripte it, but what happened is Obama tried to elimanate Fox for the 5 networks that make up the "Pool". And cover the expenses of the White house corps (Including Fox who spends millions to be part of the Pool)
The other four said no way, and the White House backed off (sorta) they dropped the time allowed each of the five "Pool" networks 2 minutes instead of the five originally offered.
I was suprised that the other four members of the "Pool" stood us, but maybe they saw that they could be next on Obama's Hit List.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 2:36:32 PM
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A CBS correspondent - Chip Reid - confirmed Fox's version of events and stated that ALL the networks drew the line in the sand on that one. There's a clip of his statement on the CBS evening news on youtube. This, of course, was probably done more for self-preservation than anything. The press pool is paid for by all the major news agencies, including Fox. If any were denied access, then they'd all have had to pay to bring in their own camera crews to do the interview. Plus, it would be a bad precedent to allow since it could just as easily be their own news outlet denied access the next time around.
Until any real documents come out, it's a he-said, she-said with the news outlets versus the Treasury Dept.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 5:17:39 PM
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TXRedhead - Media Matters and the Huffington Post are both left-leaning blogs. I find it a little myopic, ideologically, to believe that anyone would use them as a credible source when having an issue with Fox News.
How is it myopic when they are showing a video??? No need to "slant" but showing exactly what was said. So ideology aside the videos speak for themselves.
Now, simply show me where they are wrong. Give credit where credit is due...I'm not doubting that Fox "gets it right" but how can you or anyone believe there isn't extreme bias in many, many instances?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 5:21:29 PM
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Media Matters and the Huffington Post are both left-leaning blogs. I find it a little myopic, ideologically, to believe that anyone would use them as a credible source when having an issue with Fox News.
By that logic, no one should use Fox as a credible source when having an issue with the Obama administration.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 5:59:00 PM
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Media Matters and the Huffington Post are both left-leaning blogs. I find it a little myopic, ideologically, to believe that anyone would use them as a credible source when having an issue with Fox News.
By that logic, no one should use Fox as a credible source when having an issue with the Obama administration.
Hence, the irony. Why is it OK to cite obviously politically biased sources to support a point and argue that it's credible while saying, at the same time, that Fox News can't be credible because they have a political bias?
Again, it's ironic. Apparently a biased source is credible only if it's left-leaning.
I don't call Media Matters and the Huffington Post liars. I don't say that their slant on events is all wrong; I do say that they have a slant and can and do cherry pick items to fit their audience on, at the very least, some occasions. I would say the same about any and all news media, especially cable news media. I could certainly find plenty of items from MSNBC and CNN to show a slant.
I've never claimed Fox has no slant. I'm simply saying they all do. So, either they're all news, or they're all the visual equivalent of talk radio.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 6:11:55 PM
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Media Matters and the Huffington Post are both left-leaning blogs. I find it a little myopic, ideologically, to believe that anyone would use them as a credible source when having an issue with Fox News.
By that logic, no one should use Fox as a credible source when having an issue with the Obama administration.
Hence, the irony. Why is it OK to cite obviously politically biased sources to support a point and argue that it's credible while saying, at the same time, that Fox News can't be credible because they have a political bias?
Again, it's ironic. Apparently a biased source is credible only if it's left-leaning.
I don't call Media Matters and the Huffington Post liars. I don't say that their slant on events is all wrong; I do say that they have a slant and can and do cherry pick items to fit their audience on, at the very least, some occasions. I would say the same about any and all news media, especially cable news media. I could certainly find plenty of items from MSNBC and CNN to show a slant.
I've never claimed Fox has no slant. I'm simply saying they all do. So, either they're all news, or they're all the visual equivalent of talk radio.
False equivalence. Fox has a bias. Other organizations also have biases. The issue is not Fox's bias.
And I say this being sympathetic to the view of them all essentially being the visual equivalent of talk radio.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 6:17:37 PM
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TXRedheadI do say that they have a slant and can and do cherry pick items to fit their audience on, at the very least, some occasions.
I don't totally disagree however what is presented is video, and unless one can show editing it is very straightforward. The Fox News people attempt to make conncections that do not exist just like ol' conspiracy nut Beck. Representing material as current when it was dated and actually a quote is at the very least deceitful and hardly worthy of being called "fair and balanced".
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 6:43:40 PM
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TXRedheadI do say that they have a slant and can and do cherry pick items to fit their audience on, at the very least, some occasions.
I don't totally disagree however what is presented is video, and unless one can show editing it is very straightforward. The Fox News people attempt to make conncections that do not exist just like ol' conspiracy nut Beck. Representing material as current when it was dated and actually a quote is at the very least deceitful and hardly worthy of being called "fair and balanced".
Again, you're missing the point. All of the major news outlets and the blogs and the print media are slanted and often deceitful. CNN not long ago tried to create a big blow-out over the Coast Guard firing shots on the Potomac River. That story was completely false and was obviously being run without proper confirmations in order to create a scare and draw an audience. They were, rightly so, called to the curb for it and retracted it.
I could cherry pick out stuff from Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, and Joy Behar and claim that they are what constitute 'news' on their respective networks. However, I wouldn't be so disingenuous. I could link to sites that list the lies of CNN and MSNBC, but what would be the point?
Again, all the media lies. All the media cherry pick according to their audiences' political leanings. Fox is no more gratuitous about it than the others; they are just more noticeable because they 1) have far higher ratings than their counterparts, and 2) their leaning is conservative while the others lean liberal.
My main question is, if people don't like it, why they don't just turn the channel, turn the TV off, or shut the heck up? I mean, seriously, I don't watch any of them anymore. I particularly can't stand the commentators on MSNBC and their leftist biases are outrageous, but I'm not going to accuse them of not being a news station. They're just reporting news that I don't care about, or they're reporting news I do care about with a political lean I don't ascribe to. It's news...just news I don't care for.
Fox is news. It's news with a conservative slant. Their opinion commentators are, to me, obnoxious. They sometimes report on stuff I'm interested in but often in a way that grates on me. That doesn't mean it's not news.
And, just to show I CAN agree with you, I personally think they should drop the 'fair and balanced' slogan as well. :)
This is where I'll leave off my part of the conversation. Watch Fox or don't. I'm simply not going to agree with people who would say they're not news. I see them all as being flipped sides of the same flawed coin. Journalism has changed and not for the better.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 7:02:49 PM
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Again, the point is not the bias. Bias exists everywhere and is impossible to eradicate.
The point is that Fox:
1) lies. See: death panels, fascism, Nazism, etcetera. This extends beyond the op-ed guys like O'Reilly and Beck.
2) Fox promotes and organizes anti-Democratic rallies and movements.
Fox is an ideological organization, not a news organization. That it is biased is beside the point.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 7:03:56 PM
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Even if all that is true, is it still Obama's job to step in?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 7:58:30 PM
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rawr.ben - Even if all that is true, is it still Obama's job to step in?
Even if? Seems to me it is quite explicitly true...and I'm not sure but I think it certainly crosses the line. I would love for someone to post examples of other networks (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) with such blatant deceptive practices.
Put yourself in such a position and how do you think it should be handled?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/24/2009 11:04:16 PM
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Put yourself in such a position and how do you think it should be handled?
By not having the gov't step in.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/25/2009 3:18:32 AM
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Put yourself in such a position and how do you think it should be handled?
By not having the gov't step in.
i wouldn't describe the gov's actions as "stepping in" but rather "stepping back"
If the White House feels that Fox isn't actually a news organization, then why should they be at press briefings for news organizations? Same reason you wouldn't invite Rush to one.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/25/2009 3:46:54 AM
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Obama is afraid of Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck.
Thats the fact. They don't like exposure. They don't want you to read proposed bills. They say they are transparent when theya re exactly the opposite.
I guess if I was lieing I wouldn't want my opposition there to rebutt it either.
The real problem is...why aren't the other news agencies reporting.....news?
Why aren't the other news medias subject to scrutiny? They don't always have the facts either.
What I see is an enabling by the news agencies of this country of certain agendas..and that, wether right or left, is wrong....and I see it getting worse, not better...and left.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/25/2009 8:36:45 AM
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i wouldn't describe the gov's actions as "stepping in" but rather "stepping back"
If that was all they were doing that would be fine instead they felt the need to go on the offensive against Fox. The government has no place attacking ANY media outlet.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/25/2009 9:09:40 AM
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SonInMe1 - Obama is afraid of Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh and Beck.
Is it fear or is it the fact that they have crossed the line of journalistic integrity? Again, Fox News has been clearly shown to distort and lie, and though I don't doubt bias elsewhere please show such a blatant degree of deception.
Is there really a distinct line between Beck, Hannity, and the newsroom? Why does Huckabee never seem to come up in such discussions?
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SonInMe1 -I guess if I was lieing I wouldn't want my opposition there to rebutt it either.
The only distortion and lies I see are coming from Fox...please detail the lies coming from Obama.
As I mentioned before I do not doubt that bias plays a role in news. Please show me examples of the networks other then Fox that use such "egregious" tactics.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/25/2009 9:15:29 AM
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_jjp_ - If that was all they were doing that would be fine instead they felt the need to go on the offensive against Fox. The government has no place attacking ANY media outlet.
My only point was that when journalism crosses the line from bias to the extreme of deception, lies, and innuendo how should do you respond appropriately? Is it appropriate to have Gibbs do a somewhat daily correction of Fox, or any other news outlet with misinformation? Send out press releases detailing the correct info? To what extent do you ignor and step back?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/25/2009 9:29:45 AM
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_jjp_ - If that was all they were doing that would be fine instead they felt the need to go on the offensive against Fox. The government has no place attacking ANY media outlet.
My only point was that when journalism crosses the line from bias to the extreme of deception, lies, and innuendo how should do you respond appropriately? Is it appropriate to have Gibbs do a somewhat daily correction of Fox, or any other news outlet with misinformation? Send out press releases detailing the correct info? To what extent do you ignor and step back?
As much as I hated Bush he could have easily treated most all of the networks the same way and we'd have criticized him for it. Journalistic Integrity in 2009 no longer exists. It's probably a myth, but at best it is long extinct.
Distortion and lies are hardly native to only Fox Republican News.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/25/2009 9:37:04 AM
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_jjp_ - If that was all they were doing that would be fine instead they felt the need to go on the offensive against Fox. The government has no place attacking ANY media outlet.
My only point was that when journalism crosses the line from bias to the extreme of deception, lies, and innuendo how should do you respond appropriately? Is it appropriate to have Gibbs do a somewhat daily correction of Fox, or any other news outlet with misinformation? Send out press releases detailing the correct info? To what extent do you ignor and step back?
As much as I hated Bush he could have easily treated most all of the networks the same way and we'd have criticized him for it. Journalistic Integrity in 2009 no longer exists. It's probably a myth, but at best it is long extinct.
Distortion and lies are hardly native to only Fox Republican News.
They are more egregious there though, and again, Fox is a political advocacy organization more than anything these days. They're responsible for the teabaggers and other such shenanigans. They promote and popularize memes like death panels and references to Nazism and this extends beyond the op-ed talking heads. There is nothing comparable in other outlets.
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