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Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 1:35:13 PM
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purnhart
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_swine_flu
President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency and empowered his health secretary to suspend federal guidelines at hospitals and speed up how infected people might receive treatment in a disaster.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 1:51:52 PM
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Why am I not surprised that Obama and his henchmen (women) are just taking another step to bypass the constitution and its protection and freedom for we citizens.
As "Dead Fish" Rohn Emanuel says, never let a disaster go to waste, and if there is no disaster; then create one.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 1:56:30 PM
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What constitutional provisions are being set aside specifically?
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 2:51:34 PM
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Well, I guess one thing this declaration won't help is the collective paranoid delusion of the far right-wing.
Tough cookies.
They've been crying wolf every day since the last election. And they're still just as wrong as they were the first time.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 2:53:07 PM
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The words "national emergency" do one primary thing: free federal money. Basically, it's cutting through red tape and it happens all the time on a state level ("state of emergency") when governor's want federal dollars to flow in without all the hassle of being approved for it.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 3:03:15 PM
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RosieCotton
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so, the reason why this is wrong is......?
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 3:34:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
Why am I not surprised that Obama and his henchmen (women) are just taking another step to bypass the constitution and its protection and freedom for we citizens.
As "Dead Fish" Rohn Emanuel says, never let a disaster go to waste, and if there is no disaster; then create one.
Thanks
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I think Obama should have not done that but when I see you conservatives complain about this make me laugh. You talking about violation of Constitution? In the name of “ War on terror” GWB violated dozen of constipation and you conservatives defended Bush. So when you talking about constipation it make me laugh!
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 4:20:59 PM
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We have known for MONTHS this was gonna happen. It's not even the beginning of the abuse of power we are soon going to see.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 4:29:43 PM
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tacitus
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So be sure to document all the abuses of power Obama does directly under the auspices of this state of emergency and come back a tell us, buckifn. We want chapter and verse.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 6:14:42 PM
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buckifn
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lol if you don't believe it don't expect me to try and convince you. I really don't care what anyone else believes and am not getting paid to make anyone believe anything.
It's pretty wild to think someone could say the numbers indicate a national emerg. regarding the swine flu when just weeks ago they said nobody was even counting the cases anymore..
which version is it?
believe what you want I'm not interested in persuading anyone of anything.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 7:32:58 PM
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RosieCotton
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Ok......please explain, what abuses of power Obama could do becuz of declaring this????
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 7:41:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: rcjames
Why am I not surprised that Obama and his henchmen (women) are just taking another step to bypass the constitution and its protection and freedom for we citizens.
As "Dead Fish" Rohn Emanuel says, never let a disaster go to waste, and if there is no disaster; then create one.
Thanks
RC
This is a procedural step that allow hospitals to free up resource to prepare for an index of patients and was recommended by the CDC. Exactly what constitutional issues are involved?
< Message edited by parkerbrother -- 10/24/2009 7:48:50 PM >
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 7:45:48 PM
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well one of many things is he can suspend all elections and remain in power indefinately. Martial law can be instilled. fema can overtake all interstate travel and that is only a brief beginning. Google the national emergency powers and see what turns up
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 8:16:59 PM
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RosieCotton
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well one of many things is he can suspend all elections and remain in power indefinately. Martial law can be instilled. fema can overtake all interstate travel and that is only a brief beginning. Google the national emergency powers and see what turns up
wow.didnt know what to think....ok......a little extreme!
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 8:59:23 PM
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buckifn
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I think it's odd 1,000 deaths constitutes a "national emergency" when it comes to swine flu..esp. when considering the total population is approp.307,775,739.
Not to mention the global murder of 115,000 babies per day through abortions and approx 42 million per year.
In the US alone that is 3,288 killed per day 137 per hour and 9 abortions every 4 minute.
That's based on stats from Am Life League Oct. 2005
Wonder why there is no "national emergency" in those numbers?
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 9:20:24 PM
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He wants money and adulation, that's all.
Bingo. And if he keeps the country in a perpetual crisis mode he hopes the people will overlook the dismal failure of his economic policy while he creates the appearance of managing the crises.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/24/2009 9:28:36 PM
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/25/2009 12:18:05 AM
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well one of many things is he can suspend all elections and remain in power indefinately. Martial law can be instilled. fema can overtake all interstate travel and that is only a brief beginning. Google the national emergency powers and see what turns up
We're doomed! 
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/25/2009 1:02:04 AM
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huangshan
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Why am I not surprised this has been already politicized.
This is getting pretty predictable.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/25/2009 1:46:31 AM
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tacitus
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I think most people who are predicting the end of America as we know it because of the declaration don't really understand how State of Emergency declarations work.
As I said, I'd be happy to hear about real constitutional abuses done under this SoE, but paranoid fantasies about what might happen don't actually count.
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/25/2009 6:40:45 AM
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well one of many things is he can suspend all elections and remain in power indefinately. Martial law can be instilled. fema can overtake all interstate travel and that is only a brief beginning. Google the national emergency powers and see what turns up
WOW! That sure is scary. If you would take the time to actually read the declaration you would know that is VERY specific. Here is the text of the declaration:
NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 201 and 301 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) and consistent with section 1135 of the Social Security Act (SSA), as amended (42 U.S.C. 1320b-5), do hereby find and proclaim that, given that the rapid increase in illness across the Nation may overburden health care resources and that the temporary waiver of certain standard Federal requirements may be warranted in order to enable U.S. health care facilities to implement emergency operations plans, the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic in the United States constitutes a national emergency. Accordingly, I hereby declare that the Secretary may exercise the authority under section 1135 of the SSA to temporarily waive or modify certain requirements of the Medicare, Medicaid, and State Children's Health Insurance programs and of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act Privacy Rule throughout the duration of the public health emergency declared in response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic. In exercising this authority, the Secretary shall provide certification and advance written notice to the Congress as required by section 1135(d) of the SSA (42 U.S.C. 1320b-5(d)).
The declaration is very specific as to what it allows, and it requires that the advance notice of any action taken under the declaration be reported to congress.
In addition, if you would actually read the provisions of the National Emergencies Act you would know that your other claims are simply not true.
Here's a link to a lengthy congressional review of Presidential emergency powers Congressional Research Service PDF: Emergency Powers which notes that "There are, however, limits and restraints upon the President in his exercise of emergency powers. With the exception of the habeas corpus clause, the Constitution makes no allowance for the suspension of any of its provisions during a national emergency. Disputes over the constitutionality or legality of the exercise of emergency powers are judicially reviewable. Indeed, both the judiciary and Congress, as co-equal branches, can restrain the executive regarding emergency powers."
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RE: Obama declares swine flu a national emergency - 10/25/2009 7:57:21 AM
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buckifn
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We're doomed!
Actually for the believer's it's getting better every day!
gc are you saying it is a lie Military law cannot be imposed and FEMA cannot overtake interstate travel ? I'd say you need to read further. It clearly can happen within a "state of national emergency" context.
Just because it may not happen today doesn't mean it isn't a provision .
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