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Oberdan -> Think you're Free? (10/31/2009 7:43:47 PM)

You're not. None of us are, here in America. Our country was conquered without an army, without bloodshed, without one shot fired in 1913 with the help of a traitorous President named Woodrow Wilson. Even though a few years later he gave a speech of regret, how he unwittingly ruined America, those with an anti-American agenda have been trying to erase that speech from History, which even now some 'Historical Experts' are now falsely believing that Wilson never gave that speech.

I know he did. My grandfather wouldn't lie about things like that. It was a radio address he remembered for the rest of his life and my father, who was taught to never forget it, made sure I myself never forgot such a speech was made. Thank you Dad, for not just leaving me to the mercy of public education and for schooling me in things that happened in your day.

Back to this Freedom thing. Think you have it still and Oberdan is full of corroded pipe lime? Try this on for size.

Try and live one week without using your 'numbers' that has been assigned to you. Drive without your numbers. Work and not have your wages reported to those numbers. Try and get on a plane or even a Greyhound bus without your numbers for a trip to where ever you want. Surprise. You can't. Or you'll be penalized, ticketed, and more than likely jailed. Don't really do this folks, I don't want to be blamed for your legal problems if you're 'caught' trying to live without your numbers.

There are only two types of people who can't exist without being numbered. Slaves and prisoners. So, the question is simple. Which one of these two are we, if not both?



Johnny_ -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 12:47:41 AM)

Yes the United States is a free country but we still have to obey the laws of this land. Just like Christianity. Yes we have liberty in Christ but we still have to obey the commandments in scripture. In sum, you can't have one without the other.



Oberdan -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 5:06:45 PM)

Johnny, obeying Constitutional laws of this land isn't a problem. Which law states that I have to 'have' a Social Security number? Each and every law has a Public Law listing, which has a format that shows which congress passed it on to be signed by the President, etc. Please, let me know which PL listing that is.

Obeying the Laws of God is nothing like the laws of mankind. Please don't compare the two, they mix as well as oil and water. When Christ comes back, I'm sure He's not going to number us all. He will know us by our names. Only one creature is known by 'the number' and it's a beast.

My grandfather and father both traveled all over this country without their 'papers'. Shouldn't we be able to do the same thing?

Making something a 'Law' doesn't mean it's right. Here's something to think about. Remember Hitler? I'm not comparing him to anybody in our current Government, but when he was busy suspending civil liberties of Germans, when Hitler took over that country and used it for war and for control and killed so many... he 'made' it legal. He passed the laws that allowed him to do it. Hitler didn't break a single German law in his personal conquest of Germany and of other countries. Didn't make it right, did it?

Please don't take anything I just said in a hostile tone. I re-read it twice and no matter how I worded it, it sounds tense without trying too. If you could hear my thoughts, they are calm, reflective toned as in commenting on the time of day, without sarcasm. :) I just needed to make my point.



tacitus -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 5:21:04 PM)

I don't know about all that stuff, but it is true that the American legal system is far more punitive than other democratic nations with at least five times the number of prisoners per capita as the next nearest nation (the UK). (Note: illegal immigrants only make up a small portion of that difference). For countries like Sweden and Norway it's more than seven times the difference.

So either Americans are seven times more evil and reprobate than the Scandinavians or it loves to deprive seven times as many of its citizen. For a nation that prides itself on its freedoms, I think that is a rather appalling situation.



sue244 -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 5:25:59 PM)

SS # were handed out under FDR not Wilson so I'm not sure how he fits in with your post.



tsnody2001 -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 6:46:11 PM)

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SS # were handed out under FDR not Wilson so I'm not sure how he fits in with your post.


He is referring to the Federal Reserve Act, passed by Congress in 1913. Correct me if I am wrong.



MrFribbles -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 7:25:51 PM)

I'm not really sure how having to use certain numbers destroys freedom. It's not like people with certain numbers are denied certain rights (say, everyone whose SS# ends in a double 7 can't travel between states without government permission).
There's a difference between restricting someone's freedom, and maintaining order.

I think tacitus has a much more valid comment on American freedom. Many of our laws are good and worthwhile, but there is obviously something sick in our legal system that needs to be cured.



manhattan42 -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 7:47:17 PM)

I'm not free and never will be.

I am a slave of Jesus Christ....



parkerbrother -> RE: Think you're Free? (11/1/2009 11:51:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Oberdan

You're not. None of us are, here in America. Our country was conquered without an army, without bloodshed, without one shot fired in 1913 with the help of a traitorous President named Woodrow Wilson. Even though a few years later he gave a speech of regret, how he unwittingly ruined America, those with an anti-American agenda have been trying to erase that speech from History, which even now some 'Historical Experts' are now falsely believing that Wilson never gave that speech.

I know he did. My grandfather wouldn't lie about things like that. It was a radio address he remembered for the rest of his life and my father, who was taught to never forget it, made sure I myself never forgot such a speech was made. Thank you Dad, for not just leaving me to the mercy of public education and for schooling me in things that happened in your day.

Back to this Freedom thing. Think you have it still and Oberdan is full of corroded pipe lime? Try this on for size.

Try and live one week without using your 'numbers' that has been assigned to you. Drive without your numbers. Work and not have your wages reported to those numbers. Try and get on a plane or even a Greyhound bus without your numbers for a trip to where ever you want. Surprise. You can't. Or you'll be penalized, ticketed, and more than likely jailed. Don't really do this folks, I don't want to be blamed for your legal problems if you're 'caught' trying to live without your numbers.

There are only two types of people who can't exist without being numbered. Slaves and prisoners. So, the question is simple. Which one of these two are we, if not both?


This is all nonsense. Before SS# peoples names where used the exact same way. As the population increased this simply became impracticable. No is or ever was completely free in any organized society, before or after 1913. The founding fathers were not anymore free than any of us. Probably less so due to societal constraints. Certainly their wives were far less free then any of us.



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