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Fredwb -> Confused (11/1/2009 9:52:38 AM)

Our children were in the 3rd grade when my daughter started having problems with another girl. 1st it was on the bus. This girl would hit and push my daughter. She even spit in her backpack. We complained but nothing happened. Then she was pushing my daughter down in the halls of the school. My daughter was getting very depressed and would just lie around the house and not say anything. Finally my wife got an answer. It was because of this girl. We found out that the bus driver moved my daughter to where the kindergarten children sat. Now the kids were teasing her and she felt embarrassed etc. I called the school principle and asked why my daughter was being punished instead of the girl who was causing all the problems. I could not believe her answer! She said "You do not expect me to punish the other girl when it’s your daughter that having a problem"? What kind of liberal thinking is that? It makes sense nowadays that we punish the victims and coddle the criminals. That’s how our children are being raised. Anyways, my wife was after about Home Schooling so we went to a Home School Conference. I was amazed at all the educational things going on. We learned about the different styles of homeschooling, saw vendors and many curriculums. So that was it we home schooled for three years. My kids took skating lessons, Girl scouts and 4H, so socializing was not a problem. Our neighbors started asking us why our children were not in school. When we told them we were home schooling they got all bent out of shape and said it was wrong or illegal or bad etc. Everyone said my girls should be in school, even our families. So for 4 years my wife homeschooled and she did a very good job (tests, record keeping, teaching etc.) So we were all happy except for everyone else. No more homework that the girls did not understand EVERY night until 10:30. No more crying from over tired kids trying to do homework. It was GREAT!
Then 7th grade came along and the girls wanted to back to school. We let them make the choice. (Mistake?) Well, the school was running out of money and they had a referendum. There were signs all over the place "VOTE NO" all my neighbors that did not want me to home school had signs. (How about that?) The referendum failed badly and the school lost 17 teachers and they stopped sports, reading tutors etc. So now my kids go to school with overcrowded classrooms and no activities. Again we have to teach our kids but this time at night after school because they do not get the chance to ask questions etc. So we are STILL homeschooling! But no our children are picking up all kinds of nice new words and friends and all the rest that comes from a public school.
The irony is that all our neighbors wanted our kids to go to a school that they themselves would not even support. Why is it that people deliberately want our children to not receive a good education? People all over the country "home school" and people all over the country are against it, to the point of legally fighting it. WHY is it so important to them for children in the U.S.A. to get a BAD education? Personally, I believe that it is all about indoctrination of our children. Spoiled, Selfish, Liberal, Gay, abortion, socialist, evolutionist, and agenda is being forced on the children. When the time comes for them to vote, we all know what side they will be on.




ta_mosquito -> RE: Confused (11/1/2009 12:31:53 PM)

Since the Public & Private School Support folder is for support of those in private and public schools, I'm moving this thread to Parenting.


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AbidingJoy -> RE: Confused (11/1/2009 2:55:46 PM)

You are not alone. I was a public school teacher for 10 years but I was also the only teacher in my entire district that supported home schooling. Our country wasn't founded on the idea of compulsory education and it is true that most of the educated were people of means.

The public is hopelessly conflicted about education in this country. I now tutor and assist home schoolers and I know it's a great way to educate children. Your neighbors are under the impression that it takes someone with a Master's Degree to be able to teach. That's nonsense. If you can teach a child to tie their shoes you can teach them just about anything you want to. When you come up against subjects you don't feel comfortable with, the number of resources available to parents is astounding. The public also views home schooling parents as extremists. They classify you with David Koresch and other isolationists groups. They see you as subversive and maybe even dangerous. Yet they'll look right past school violence, the impact of inappropriate subject matter and offensive material. All the while they are condemning you, they don't want to give a dime more to crumbling schools.

Home schooling is legal. However it's a never ending battle with liberals trying their best to shut it down. There are constant court challenges. I recommend the Home School Defense League. They have lawyers who do nothing but support parents who are being subjected to what amounts to tyranny by the government. You have the right to choose the best way to educate your children as long as you actually educate them. Every state has different laws. Some are extremely home schooling friendly and others are fairly hostile.

You may have some problems with college when it comes to records that they want. There are ways to avoid this problem and I'll be happy to help you if you should need it. Having said that, I personally spoke with the Director of Admissions (some years back) at Stanford University who told me he actively seeks out home schooled applicants. He said that they have "educational vitality" that most kids from traditional school settings lack.

Exercise fully your right to decide the best course for your children. You can pm me if you need anything at all.

In His Grace,

Abiding Joy




bolt. -> RE: Confused (11/1/2009 4:00:13 PM)

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Why is it that people deliberately want our children to not receive a good education? People all over the country "home school" and people all over the country are against it, to the point of legally fighting it. WHY is it so important to them for children in the U.S.A. to get a BAD education? Personally, I believe that it is all about indoctrination of our children. Spoiled, Selfish, Liberal, Gay, abortion, socialist, evolutionist, and agenda is being forced on the children. When the time comes for them to vote, we all know what side they will be on.

I doubt you will ever be able to interact in an understanding and mature way with these neighbours, friends and family members... if that's the best way you can come up with to characterize their intent. It's just silly to think people want those things for those reasons. They may be under misinformation, but thinking of them the way you described just builds walls between you.

Nobody "deliberately wants our children to not receive a good education" they simply believe that a pretty poor school is better than what an average parent can provide on their own steam... And that it's probably far better than what they think of as 'some religious nuts' and other odd cases are likely to be teaching their kids -- things that they think are out of line with common sense and ordinary educational standards. (Much the way we would think of someone who was homeschooling in order to be able to freely teach about astronomy where the sun travels around the earth.)

As to "WHY is it so important to them for children in the U.S.A. to get a BAD education" -- not every public education is bad, and not every homeschool experience is good. You think a dedicated homeschool environment is most-often good. They think an average public school is most-often good. They also think that at least there is some accountability if public education is going poorly, but in homeschooling, they see vast potential for damage that nobody notices. There's no malice in that. They are not out to get anybody or hurt anybody. They just think of public education as a pretty good thing, in an overall sense...

Those who are actively against it see it as a dangerous way to isolate the child rearing process from any kind of community oversight which is designed to stick up for children while they are helpless and impressionable. For some, it might have to do with their ideas about religion in general being detrimental to human society. That's why it would seem to them to be a good thing to prevent it from being instilled. (Much the way we would consider it a good thing to prevent racism or gender-based repression from being instilled.)

It may well be that people in government or the various interests you listed are interested in public education as a means of indoctrination. In fact, that's actually probably true, as far as it applies to politicians, lobbyists and the like... but it's probably not true about your friends, neighbours and family members. Your friends, family members and neighbours mean well. They don't understand the issue, but they think they do, and they have their own ideas about what is good and bad on either side. They are in favour of what you think of as bad, but that doesn't mean that they think of it as bad too, and want it anyways. They want it because they think of it as good.




SurpassingPeace -> RE: Confused (11/1/2009 6:22:17 PM)

As someone who fully intends to homeschool, I agree with Bolt.




W.O.F. -> RE: Confused (11/2/2009 9:08:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AbidingJoy



You may have some problems with college when it comes to records that they want. There are ways to avoid this problem and I'll be happy to help you if you should need it. Having said that, I personally spoke with the Director of Admissions (some years back) at Stanford University who told me he actively seeks out home schooled applicants. He said that they have "educational vitality" that most kids from traditional school settings lack.




actually...it is not hard to develop the proper transcripts...we just did it for our oldest daughter. You just need to keep accurate records of the classes taken, the grade received, etc. You then have the transcript notarized.

ANY college in the country will accept it. There are a TON of transcript formats that you can download from HSLDA as well as other places.

That said...at this point...I think you have to step and and just tell your girls that no...you are going to homeschool them for the sake of their academic careers...because the school is failing them at this time (and the community is failing the school!). Tell them you are sorry that you are having to play the parent card and override their previous vote.




onecoolmom -> RE: Confused (11/2/2009 10:09:39 PM)

So you caved into peer pressure and sent your children to school. Now you are upset because the system is failing them, is that the issue? Pull them out and homeschool them.

Just like every homeschool is not perfect not all public schools are created like the one you described.

Believe me I see my sister not schooling her kids just because she is too tired, too busy, has to deal with other people's problems, etc. Her dd is not going to graduate on time because her mother has failed to keep up with her studies and this is a kid that has potential and would have risen to it in a traditional classroom. BUT not all homeschools are like this, I also see that 99 out of 100 homeschool are not like this.




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