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RE: joyce meyer - 11/10/2009 10:49:16 PM
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TnTX
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tongues is just another parlor trick I am sure that there is an OP about speaking in tongues and it shouldn't be discussed here I would think.
However, your comment really bothers me because it is awfully close to blasphemy of the Holy Ghost since tongues is a work of the Holy Ghost and blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is the unforgivable sin. I think everyone should be very careful when they speak against tongues and the Holy Ghost. It's dangerous.
I think you may have a misundertanding as to what the passage means about blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. Questioning speaking in tongues would not fall under that category.
About Joyce, while I do agree that she says some good things, I think she is more of a motivational speaker than someone who leads others into the meat of God's Word. Good motivational speakers, even Biblical ones, are a dime a dozen. I want someone who KNOWS God's Word!!
She does say things that are bothersome, more and more as time goes on. Someone once said it to me like this: If someone mixed 1 Tbsp. of dog poop into some brownie mix and baked them, would you eat them? I mean, it's only 1 Tbsp of poop. No, you wouldn't eat them. That is how we should view false teaching. If Joyce mixes a little poop into her teaching, I need to count her as one I won't listen to anymore.
I do believe, personally, that speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit...it is "A" gift, one of many. It is not THE gift of all gifts or THE gift that every believer is given. She lied to the group last weekend when she told them that it was something they all should have and that they were missing out because of it. It felt like an Amway motivational thing where you leave all pumped up and realize it was over nothing. I've seen that type of heresy at work in other churches. People wind up idolizing the gift of tongues rather than focusing on Christ Jesus! People just need to be very careful. She's more of a feel-good encourager type person than someone who will help you get into the meat of God's Word.
I'm going to pray, though...I see what God could do through her without all of the extra stuff that is causing problems.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/11/2009 8:03:10 AM
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Kat_D
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tongues is just another parlor trick I am sure that there is an OP about speaking in tongues and it shouldn't be discussed here I would think.
However, your comment really bothers me because it is awfully close to blasphemy of the Holy Ghost since tongues is a work of the Holy Ghost and blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is the unforgivable sin. I think everyone should be very careful when they speak against tongues and the Holy Ghost. It's dangerous.
And you need to be careful about accusing anyone of the unforgivable sin. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was actually attributing the works of Jesus Christ to Satan.
"I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."-Mark 3:28
Jesus said this in response to the Pharisees, who had called the Holy Spirit by whom Jesus cast out demons an unclean spirit.
Oh, and btw, not everyone who babbles in tongues is exhibiting a gift of the Holy Spirit. That gift is often contrived and abused and given way too much significance in some Christian circles.
Thanks for your testimony, TnTX. It has merit and I appreciate it.
Context is everything and Meyer continually (as all WOF teachers do) teaches the Scriptures out of context and by doing so, distorts and perverts God's Word. Thank God, He has given TnTX the insight and the wisdom to see this woman's teaching for what it is.
Edited to add Scripture reference I left out.
< Message edited by Kat_D -- 11/11/2009 8:39:49 AM >
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/11/2009 7:32:29 PM
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teacher1982
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If someone mixed 1 Tbsp. of dog poop into some brownie mix and baked them, would you eat them? I mean, it's only 1 Tbsp of poop. No, you wouldn't eat them. That is how we should view false teaching. If Joyce mixes a little poop into her teaching, I need to count her as one I won't listen to anymore.
I have heard this saying before and it is true. However, I wouldn't be able to listen to any preachers or teachers as all of them say something at some point in time that I do not believe lines up with the Word of God. If you think about it, you might not be able to name a preacher with whom you agree 100% either. It's a very difficult thing to find a preacher that preaches the Word just as we believe it.
I guess there is an OP about Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost somewhere. The only thing that I want to emphasize here is that it is blasphemy of the HOLY GHOST - the third person in the Godhead. Not of Jesus. The Bible says that it can be forgiven if a person blasphemes Jesus or God, but not the HOLY GHOST. Speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the Gift of the Holy Ghost as described in the Bible. Therefore, if people attribute tongues to the devil, they are attributing the workings of the Holy Ghost to the devil. That is blasphemy and can not or will not be forgiven. That is what I meant by my statement above, just to make it clear.
I stay on the cautious side and never say anything at all against the Holy Ghost and against tongues.
What I hear from Joyce Meyer is what I see on TV - her 30 minute daily shows. I guess they are current seminars. I'm not sure, but I would think that they are. I haven't heard anything different than what I heard in her old seminars and tape teachings of 20 years ago.
She has actually helped and encouraged me because I can relate to many of her life experiences. I see how she overcame them through prayer and study of the Word of God. If she can overcome those things, then I can and so can others. Without the help of anti-depressants and psychotherapists. (Not to say that the use of these are bad or against the Bible. I just prefer not to use them and neither did Joyce.)
I use my own filter when I listen to any preacher or teacher whether they be on TV or in church, or if I read one of their books or watch them on the internet. I think probably most people do too.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/29/2009 1:36:50 AM
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-"Words are containers for power they carry creative or destructive power positive or negative power so we need to be speaking right things over our lives and about our futures if we expect to have good things happen because what you say then is what you probably end up having tomorrow.
(Joyce Meyer, audio-clip, "Bible Answer-man," Hank Hanegraaff, January, 2003)
It is comments like these by these WF teachers, her especially, that have caused me to stumble greatly during this trial that I am in. Many of her teachings have caused me to think that because I have not said just the right prayer, or said it in the right way, God wouldn't hear me -- or if I said something just not right, that it was lack of faith on my part, thus hindering the Lord from being able to heal my body. Ridiculous? Right?
Her teachings and other WOF'ers have caused me to doubt my faith in Jesus Christ because of these facts, plus many more. Thankfully I have a husband who is grounded deeply in the word, and has been able to help me. We also moved to a church that wasn't bent toward WOF.
I mean, when the disciples asked Jesus to teach them how to pray, what did Jesus tell them? The most famously recited prayer in today's life: The Lord's prayer -- part of which is "Your will be done". I'd been told that by praying "Your will be done" through this illness or through other trials, that it was a statement of lack of faith! How crazy is that? Jesus Himself tells his disciples to pray this -- was Jesus teaching them how to prayer faithless filled prayers? Absolutely not!
I absolutely will not listen to her teachings anymore for this reason. The saying that I've heard is that rat poison is 99% healthy. It's the 1% that will kill ya. So, are we going to eat rat poison since it IS 99% healthy. No. We find teachers who are grounded in the word of God, and have solid doctrines based upon biblical truths.
A great book that has helped me through this journey is one by Ron Rhoades -- the title of which escapes me. Basically he lays down the foundations that are essential to the Christian faith, and the items that are non-essentials -- those items that we can agree to disagree, but disagreeing won't mean we aren't saved. The core essentials of the Christian faith are what separate us from the cults, and I am so thankful to the Lord that He brought me to this place and continues to reveal His truth more and more each day -- HIS truth. Not Joyce Meyer's truth, or Joel Osteen's truth, or any other WOFer.
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RE: joyce meyer - 11/29/2009 1:38:28 AM
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I absolutely will not listen to her teachings anymore for this reason. The saying that I've heard is that rat poison is 99% healthy. It's the 1% that will kill ya. So, are we going to eat rat poison since it IS 99% healthy. No. We find teachers who are grounded in the word of God, and have solid doctrines based upon biblical truths.
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Thi4f... seriously, guys?? This does not bode well.
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